Re: Dealing with ARIN.. my experiences & tips

["Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve () telecomplete co uk>]

On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 bdragon () gweep net wrote:

> > More importantly, a quick study in logic shows there should be no
> > requirement for the existing space to meet RFC2050 requirements -- the space
> > is already allocated.  After the renumbering period there's no net damage to
> > the IPv4 "shortage" since similar amounts of space would be assigned, but it
> > would be a great help to the global routing system.
>
> The problem is that PA space is questionable. As you stated, if the only way
> to do something one wants to do is to lie/cheat/steal/kill, many people
> will do it.

Can you quote an example of someone who was killed in the name of PA space?

> Some of the "P" in the PA will break the rules in order to drive sales.
> So, the inherent assumption that a provider is already compliant is
> not a given, which strikes down the argument.
>
> I'ld advocate for mandatory compliance checking on each allocation
> request or biannually, whichever is more frequent. Of course,
> I'ld also advocate that it a provider is below 25% usage, that they
> have address space rescinded, including blocks not presently assigned

even where over-allocation is concerned you cant seriously expect folks to 
renumber in order to give space back. renumbering has to be a no-no.

> to any RIR. If an entity can not be contacted for 2 compliance
> periods (for example, a swamp /24 to some long-dead company) that they
> be considered defunct, and the space rescinded.

i assume dead space is recovered anyway? surely the provider isnt providing 
space and services to a company that is dead and not paying bills?

> But, then again, I'm fairly liberal. I'm sure the more conservative

liberal compared to stalin maybe ;p

> among us (and those hanging onto former customer /24s, /8s, etc)
> would absolutely hate this, since they are getting something for nothing
> and don't like having to play by the same rules as the rest of us.

you have a slightly different point here, i agree. theres a number of legacy /8s 
out there, they need fixing. i dont have any answers tho!

Steve