RE: Overcoming IPv6 Security Threat

[Joe Baptista <baptista () dot-god com>]

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Jeroen Massar wrote:

> Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> > Thanks to everyone who helped out.
> But you didn't actually read now did you?
> Oh well you are a reporter nobody can blame you for doing work ;)
> But to pull some things straight:
>
> " IPv6, a suite of protocols for the network layer,
>  uses IPv4 gateways to interconnect IPv6 nodes and comes
>  prepackaged with some popular operating systems. "
>
> Cool, so *NATIVE* IPv6 doesn't exist?
> Many transitional techniques use intermediate IPv4 hops to
> connect IPv6 islands, that doesn't mean everything uses it.
>
> http://unfix.org/projects/ipv6/IPv6andIPv4.gif

I'm sure it does - but i'll be damed if i can find it.  I have managed to
connect to the 6to4.  Would love to connect direct to the 6bone - but have
yet to find a means to do it without some ipv4 connectivity.

> "IPv6 has suffered bad press over privacy issues.
>  Jim Fleming, the inventor of IPv8, a competing protocol,
>  sees many hazards and privacy flaws in existing IPv6 implementations."
>
> Competing? There is <yell>no such thing as Jim Flemings IPv8</yell>
> There is IPv8* but that is PIP (The P Internet Protocol) which is
> *NOT* the thing Mr. Fla^Heming is spamming about all the time.
> * = http://www.iana.org/assignments/version-numbers
> Maybe Mr. Fleming could write up a draft of his 'standard' sometime?
> I could start shouting that you are bad and that Man.v2 is much better
> now does that help anywhere?

I've heard alot about fleming and have seen alot of his posts.  I have
heard he's a kook from alot of people but i don't pay much attention to
that.  So far on the technical end i've had no issue with his claims.

And let's not forget - years ago I was also called a net kook - now my
name is wispered at various conferences much like priests would speak
badly of the creator with claims i'm the most dangerous man in
communications.  I assume that's a step up when laughter turns to tears
;)

Once I'm finished testing IPv6 I do plan to try IPv8 (a la fleming) and
once and for all determine if he's actually real - or just a figment of
our collective deranged imaginations.

I did ask vint if he felt IPv8 was workable.  He didn't know.  Fleming has
made alot of claims respecting vint - which he was in my opinion unable to
prove when i asked for supporting evidence.  But those claims are mainly
personal issues between them.

But when I published the article vint announced for the first time that
ipv8 existed but they decided instead on ipv6.  It's a confusing issue at
best but one i'll be looking into.