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RE: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection
From: Dave Israel <davei () algx net>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:53:15 -0400
My explanation accounts for suicide bombers in the statement: "Even terrorist that will die to kill will probably not die to inconvenience." This does not presume a western value system, either, as somebody suggested. Many a terrorist will gladly give their lives to destroy a hated enemy, or to terrify them, or to change their way of life. I cannot believe, however, that there are people who will give their lives to increase the download times for porn for a few days. -Dave On 9/5/2002 at 13:49:29 -0700, Al Rowland said:
To reinforce a dissenting opinion, And your explanation accounts for suicide bombers how? I would think a smoking hole in the ground containing a train or whatever, particularly if lose of life is involved, would be much more appealing to the motivations of most terrorists than a couple of computers with blue screens of death. I would think 9-11 would provide a compelling example of current terrorist practice. Just my 2ยข Best regards, _________________________ Alan Rowland -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of Dave Israel Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:29 PM To: alex () yuriev com Cc: Dave Israel; sgorman1 () gmu edu; nanog () merit edu Subject: Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection On 9/5/2002 at 16:01:02 -0400, alex () yuriev com said:The thing is, the major cuts are not "attacks;" the backhoe operators aren't gunning for our fiber (no matter how much it seems like they are). If I wanted to disrupt traffic, intentionally and maliciously, I would not derail a train into a fiber path. Doing sowould be very difficult, and the legal ramifications (murder, destruction of property, etc, etc) are quite clear and severe. However, if I ping-bomb you from a thousand "0wn3d" PCs on cable modems, I never had to leave my parents' basement, I'm harder to trace by normal police methods, and the question of which laws that can be applied to me is less clear.This fails to address how this affects someone who has no problem withlegal ramfications - i.e. a terrorist.Even a terrorist will tend towards things that allow him to continue to be a terrorist. If I can do X amount of damage, and get caught, or do X amount of damage, and not get caught, then he'll do the second. Even a terrorist that will die to kill will probably not die to inconvenience.
-- Dave Israel Senior Manager, DNE SE
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- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection batz (Sep 05)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Sean Donelan (Sep 05)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection sgorman1 (Sep 05)
- Re: RE: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection sgorman1 (Sep 05)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection sgorman1 (Sep 05)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Dave Israel (Sep 05)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection alex (Sep 05)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Dave Israel (Sep 05)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection alex (Sep 05)
- RE: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Al Rowland (Sep 05)
- RE: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Dave Israel (Sep 05)
- RE: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection alex (Sep 06)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Dave Israel (Sep 05)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection alex (Sep 06)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Ryan Fox (Sep 06)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Pawlukiewicz Jane (Sep 06)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection alex (Sep 06)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Pawlukiewicz Jane (Sep 06)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection Christopher L. Morrow (Sep 06)
- Re: Vulnerbilities of Interconnection alex (Sep 06)