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Totally OT, sorry; was (Re: Lack of Security)
From: Joe Shaw <jshaw () insync net>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:47:39 -0500 (CDT)
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Robert Hough wrote:
Now ask yourself, why was it so easy to hijack these planes? Because we have sacrificed security for convenience - and our enemy used that against us. Well, something to chew on. G'Night.
So are you advocating a loss of freedom in the physical world for security? I'm willing to accept certain measures to make the planes and airports more secure, sure. But I refuse to lose any freedoms provided by the Bill of Rights. Of course, many believe that's outdated anyway. The 5th and 4th Amendments are already pretty useless thanks to the "war on drugs". The 2nd is the big enemy right now to most. After that's finally chipped away the 1st will probably be next, all in the interest of National Security and safety. I should go find my tin foil... And since my primary job these days is security, I can say insecure systems come from three primary causes; human error, human ignorance and human laziness. Neither of which will be erradicated anytime soon. Human error generally causes the problem, human ignorance means you don't know there's a problem, and human laziness keeps you from fixing it. Remember guys, while there's a lot of 0-day used by the underground, most attacks are for known and correctable bugs. Regards, -- Joseph W. Shaw II Network Security Specialist/CCNA Unemployed. Will hack for food. God Bless. Apparently I'm overqualified but undereducated to be employed.
Current thread:
- Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies....., (continued)
- Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies..... clarke (Sep 13)
- Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies..... alex (Sep 13)
- Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies..... Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 13)
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- Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies..... Dean Robb (Sep 13)
- RE: Lack of Security Joe Shaw (Sep 12)
- RE: Lack of Security Mathias Körber (Sep 12)
- Re: Lack of Security (Way OT) Andy Ellifson (Sep 12)
- RE: Lack of Security Mathias Körber (Sep 12)
- Re: Totally OT, sorry; was (Re: Lack of Security) Robert Hough (Sep 13)
- Re: Totally OT, sorry; was (Re: Lack of Security) Leo Bicknell (Sep 13)
- Re: Totally OT, sorry; was (Re: Lack of Security) Martin Hepworth (Sep 13)
- Re: Totally OT, sorry; was (Re: Lack of Security) Leo Bicknell (Sep 13)
- Re: Totally OT, sorry; was (Re: Lack of Security) Christian Kuhtz (Sep 13)