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RE: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore)
From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:01:53 -0700
|> From: Larry Diffey [mailto:ldiffey () technologyforward com] |> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 4:22 PM |> Let's see, I want to send email to someone but I want it to |> be completely |> anonymous. I go to safeweb.com or any other anonomizer and |> get myself a |> hotmail address. I then send it to the recipient with PGP |> encoded text. He |> logs on to hotmail through anonomizer and retrieves it, |> decodes it and reads |> it. If I was really smart I'd bounce around a couple of |> other proxies while |> I was at it. The only way this works is that you route to someone, that has a VPN pipe to somewhere else.... nah, even that won't work. You can encrypt the packets but you can't do it anonymously, unless you are at a public access point. Even so, they can identify the MAC addr. That, plus the time-stamp, and you're nailed. All they need is the motivation. However, given mil-grade VPNs these days, there is no way they can read what you sent. They can only tell that you sent something. However, I just discovered the Steganography stuff in my SuSE Linux distribution, hmmmmm. But, they still know where it came from and where it went. The problem is that, it's looking for a camoflaged needle in a camoflaged needle stack, all of which are capable of changing patterns, like a chameleon. First you have to find it and then figure out what it is. That processing capability doesn't yet exist. Certainly not under WinNT and the typical hardware it runs on. All that they can tell is that encrypted traffic went from point A to point B.
Current thread:
- RE: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Stafford, Todd (Sep 17)
- Re: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Larry Diffey (Sep 17)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Roeland Meyer (Sep 17)
- Re: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 17)
- Re: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Len Sassaman (Sep 17)
- Re: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 17)
- RE: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Roeland Meyer (Sep 17)
- Re: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 17)
- RE: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Matt Levine (Sep 17)
- Re: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 17)
- RE: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Roeland Meyer (Sep 18)
- Re: Just Carnivore (was: Yahoogroups and Carnivore) Marshall Eubanks (Sep 18)