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RE: Update: CSX train derailment


From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 05:50:51 -0700


Have you checked available rights of way lately? They haven't changed much
for quite a while. Telecom has not really any ability to build dedicated
bridges for telcom fibre. It uses existing facilities wherever possible.
Following the paths of least cost/resistance, this pretty much determines
that rivers and bridges become choke-points. The only real alternatives are
microwave towers (a cost/benefit argument I won't touch, even with your
ten-foot pole).

WRT the other comment about that MCI conduit on the tunnel wall, I have
reports that temperatures are exceeding 1000F, near the fire. I submit that
no amount of armor-clading is going to shield that cable, from those temps.
The only cable that might survive is whatever may be buried under the
road-bed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Wallingford [mailto:brian () meganet net]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:28 AM
To: Sean Donelan
Cc: nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: Update: CSX train derailment



"Rivers and bridges"?

Either Frank is sensationalizing his comments for the benefit of the
press, or he's been asleep since '93.

Seems to me the so-called "choke-points" now are more social 
and fiscal
than physical - I doubt rivers and bridges are much of an issue.





:According to the Baltimore Sun, companies have laid 30,000 feet of
:emergency fiber to patch around the damage in the Howard Tunnel.
:
:  "There was a ripple effect around the country with 
corporate networks
:   due to this Baltimore disaster," said Frank Stanton, an 
executive with
:   Lexent Inc., a New York-based company that repaired 
fiber-optic cable
:   after the World Trade Center bombing in 1993. "Everybody 
thinks they
:   have redundancy, but these type incidents show people 
there are huge
:   issues. When you cross rivers and bridges, these choke 
points are the
:   Achilles' heel." 
:
:On the Washington DC to New York City fiber route, there seems to be
:at least one train derailment leading to significant network traffic
:re-routes every year.



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