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RE: DDoS attacks
From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer () mhsc com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:00:40 -0700
From: Brad [mailto:brad () americanisp net] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:18 AM On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote:From: up () 3 am [mailto:up () 3 am] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 7:23 AMI can't help but believe that if even 20% of them were caught and had to spend just a little time (evenhours) with thecops, and had their peecees confiscated, you'd not be seeing nearly the problems we are now.This is the main point, a script-kiddie hunt, withprosecution, is the ONLYreal deterrent. Throw some of them in hotel greybar andremove them fromcomputing, for life, and we may see some of this turn around.I am just concerned about our current legal systems being able to handle such cases efficently. Well.. Perhaps I should not use 'legal systems' and 'efficently' in the same sentence, but you get the idea ;)
Think "Kaspureff" (AlterNIC). They went after, and nailed, him with gusto and efficiency. I think that the largest problem is "selective prosecution". A couple of years ago three MHSC servers were root-kitted via the BIND interface. It took 18x7 man-hours to scrub and bare-metal recover, without the suspect backups, those three servers. Even then, we couldn't jump the FBI's $60K damages hurdle. Yet, Kaspureff, with a lot less provable damage, got caught, grilled, and chilled. For those that don't know, this case is the best and most well-known example of [arguably] deliberate DNS cache poisoning on record. If you don't remember it then you need not comment. The point is that our legal systems can move with great alacrity, given sufficient motivation.
Current thread:
- RE: DDoS attacks, (continued)
- RE: DDoS attacks David Harmelin (Jul 12)
- RE: DDoS attacks Brad (Jul 12)
- RE: DDoS attacks Dan Hollis (Jul 12)
- RE: DDoS attacks Brad (Jul 12)
- RE: DDoS attacks David Harmelin (Jul 12)
- Re: DDoS attacks Alexei Roudnev (Jul 12)
- Re: DDoS attacks up (Jul 12)
- Re: DDoS attacks Rafi Sadowsky (Jul 12)
- Re: DDoS attacks Alexei Roudnev (Jul 12)
- Re: DDoS attacks Alexei Roudnev (Jul 12)
- RE: DDoS attacks Greg A. Woods (Jul 15)