Re: DDoS attacks

[John Fraizer <nanog () Overkill EnterZone Net>]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Jon O . wrote:

> This is pathetic. Someone asks for help and you demean them with jokes. 

Who was joking?  I wasn't.  I suppose that we should all start posting
"HELP ME!" posts to NANOG instead of sending an email to/calling the NOC
of networks with which we are having issues with DIRECTLY.  All the
original poster did was add to the impact of the attack in question.  The
attackers can now say, "Look!  We kicked SO MUCH BUTT THAT THEY HAD TO GO
WHINE ON NANOG!  WE RULE!"

> your own network. However, I'm concluding from the type of behavior
> displayed that most of you manage nothing larger than a couple T-1s.

Think what you like.  I'm sure it isn't the first you've been wrong and
most likely won't be the last.

> There is no solution to this problem.

OK.  No solution?  If that is the case, why are you wasting your time
posting about it?

> ...ACT AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED. 

If I had posted the message the original poster did, I would have FULLY
expected to be blasted/flamed/laughed at.  What is your point?

> Both of you are in my shitheads for life book and the only way to get out
> is to apologize to the poster, CC: nanog and ask a good question about
> the attacks so that we might all learn something.

The last time I checked, direct attacks and the use of foul language were
both in violation of the NANOG AUP (Item #4).  I believe it is YOU who
owes an apology.  [Note:  Get him Sue!]


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John Fraizer
EnterZone, Inc