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RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd)
From: "John A. Tamplin" <jat () liveonthenet com>
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:12:10 -0500 (CDT)
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Mitch Halmu wrote:
Which is to show you what can happen to those that entrust control of their communications to a third party. The commercialization of the lil' MAPS charity proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it was just another clever ploy for them to make a living at it. The brilliant idea: have everybody pay a small toll on email. Blackhole thy opponents. Quote:
Mitch, we are all aware of your stake in this battle. Personally, I have been using MAPS on my personal mail server simply because I get maybe one spam per week at that address compared to hundreds per day at my old work email address. Both addresses are in whois contacts, both have posted to public lists and to newsgroups, etc. I see value in that service. You don't see value because people like me have decided that they trust MAPS procedures for putting mail servers on the list and removing them, and those policies have impacted you. Yes, I am fully aware that some people who I might want to receive email from will be bounced, but I think that is a reasonable price for the spam reduction. BTW, I check the logs periodically and that is about 1 legitimate message per month. The only problem I have is I didn't see any notification of this change anywhere until I noticed I wasn't getting any email this morning. Then their web server was so overloaded it took a while to find out about the change. As it happens, my personal mail server will still be free and my current employer will be very cheap, so there is no reason not to continue. I understand they have a problem notifying everyone since they don't know contact information for the people using the service, but I would have expected to see an announcement here, for example.
"There will be a day when folks will need to pay to transit email." (Paul Vixie, 1998) That day has come.
??? There are no costs related to MAPS for sending email. The only people that pay anything to MAPS are those who find value in the service for filtering incoming email. If you don't want that service, don't pay for it.
The inclusion of maps.vix.com references in the sendmail code has lead to predictable consequences. Let's hope this will serve as a warning to all sysadmins who can infere what's wrong with enterprises like MAPS from this incident.
How do you think those references got there? Could it be that enough people requested it and asked how to do it with older versions of sendmail that it was made an optional part of the standard configuration? John A. Tamplin jat () jaet org 770/436-5387 HOME 4116 Manson Ave 770/431-9459 FAX Smyrna, GA 30082-3723
Current thread:
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd), (continued)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Mitch Halmu (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Brandon Ross (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Mitch Halmu (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Joe Shaw (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Mitch Halmu (Aug 03)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Peter Galbavy (Aug 03)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Mitch Halmu (Aug 03)
- Summary: Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Kai Schlichting (Aug 03)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Steve Sobol (Aug 02)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Mitch Halmu (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) John A. Tamplin (Aug 02)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Adam Rothschild (Aug 02)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Charles Sprickman (Aug 02)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Chris Adams (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Matt Martini (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Steven J. Sobol (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Derek Balling (Aug 02)
- RE: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) John A. Tamplin (Aug 02)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Chris Adams (Aug 02)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) Mitch Halmu (Aug 02)
- Re: trapdoor.merit.edu and other impatient Postfix mailers everywhere (fwd) John Fraizer (Aug 02)