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Re: Alternative to BGP-4 for multihoming?


From: adrian () creative net au
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:06:35 +0800


On Mon, Mar 13, 2000, Peter A. van Oene wrote:


Its these cases I'm concerned with.  In my mind, irrespective of the
comments on the functionality of DNS for this purpose, I see little
other
choice.

DNS is not the droid you're looking for.

Using DNS response times to predict likely TCP performance is silly for at
least as many reasons as using BGP aspath lengths to predict likely TCP
performance is silly.

That being said, if anyone has better ideas on how to provide for high
availability to millions of web sites worldwide, please let me know.

TCP performance is affected by congestion symmetry, since TCP uses the
spacing of ACK packets to control the spacing of data packets.  While
there's no way to guarantee congestion symmetry, one of the leading
indicators of whether you will have congestion symmetry is "whether you
have path symmetry."  Furthermore, the leading indicator of whether you
have path symmetry is "whether the outbound flow's first hop is the same
as the incoming flow's last hop."


Just a quick note in clarification, I am less interested in intelligently
directing the traffic to the closest or most optimal server farm that I am
in purely ensuring that the traffic can be balance between sites that sit
within different AS's.  


How do you propose to do this? It is a non trivial solution - if you
don't believe me, go ask someone trying to do it (eg Akami). 

People forget the magic tenant things are built on here - "The less the
control you have on a network, the harder you have to work to
deliver a given quality of service", where quality of service is
something other than 'terrible' .





Adrian




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