Re: Napster & other bandwidth hogs

[Deepak Jain <deepak () ai net>]

I guess there is a misunderstanding between what an educational
institution views IT costs as. IT costs (more bandwidth, etc) are 100%
overhead. Most have no way of recovering these costs as an increase in
revenue. Most corporations, etc could pass this fee on to supported
organizations, but from what I understand of Universities, its 100%
unrecovered overhead.

Hence, no business model. Any bits over 0 are therefore expensive.

Regards,

Deepak Jain
AiNET

On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Jeremy Porter wrote:

> O is for Operator
> Hm... I thought this was NANOG.
> Presumably even universities have the capability to allocate costs
> to internal customers.
> more bits = good 
> less bits = bad
> Pretty simple.
> The question that would be correct for this forum, is what
> techniques do network operators use to measure and scale service for
> high bandwidth applications.
>
> In message <20000124152605.A25299 () iglou com>, Jeff Mcadams writes:
> > Thus spake Randy Bush
> > > > Since these apps are becoming more and more prevalent, as college students
> > > > are huge collectors of digital music, and as bandwidth is always a
> > > > concern, I am wondering what others in either the educational or business
> > > > community are doing in light of this.
> >
> > > pretending we're in business, charging for bandwidth, and crying all
> > > the way to the bank.
> >
> > > when the customer wants more of your product, and if you find this
> > > negative, then your business model needs re-evaluation.
> >
> > Considering that his email address ended in ".edu" and was asking his
> > question as a representative of such an institution (which you
> > considerably cut out of your response ;), I would say that your
> > statement about his business model needing re-evaluation is a bit
> > uncalled for.
> >
> > I will agree that you, as a business-person, would find the extra use of
> > bandwidth of something like napster nice because you then go on and
> > charge for the bandwidth...being in the business environment myself, I
> > wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment...but I also understand that
> > the original poster is not working from the same paradigm.  :)
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