Re: ARIN whois

[Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com>]

No. I don't think it is ethically questionable.  Each relay has started with NOQUEUE log entries. The relayer is 
telneting to port 25, and getting the following message:

 telnet odie 25
Trying 198.3.136.141...
Connected to odie.av8.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220-odie.av8.com ESMTP Sendmail; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:53:11 -0500 (EST)
220-Authorized Users Only
220-Notice: Unauthorized use billed at $1 per message, $10 per bounce,
220-$90/hr for cleanup.
220 Unauthorized use over $5000 defined as criminal by 18 USC 1030(6).

Around 11:38 PM 11/22/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Daniel Golding said:
> Dean,
>
> Have you considered that, while your stand may be legally correct, it is
> ethically questionable? By leaving your relays open, you invite abuse and
> facilitate the theft of other networks' resources. I can not imagine what
> legitimate purpose you might have for such a practice. Perhaps the most
> disturbing aspect of this is your steady beat on the drum of law and
> order, combined with your strange zeal to block out IP addresses from a
> large block of law abiding folks. 
>
> I can only wish you luck in your endevour to have Federal law enforcement
> officials deliver warrant on international spammers. Clearly, those folks
> don't have enough to do, and need the extra work.
>
> - Daniel Golding
>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:
>
> > These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia. 
> >
> > We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open".  We are not going to 
> > close them.  We are going to pursue abusers civilly and criminally.  The FBI assures me that it does not matter 
> > criminally that access comes from international sources.
> >
> > Much of the activity appears to be comming from alleged ANTI-SPAMMERs such as Chris Neill, and Alan Brown and Ron 
> > Guillemette who have been inciting attacks against us, posting to alt.2600 and advertising our service.  Inciting 
> > criminal acts is a criminal act too, I'm pretty sure. We make sure to mention them prominently.
> >
> >              --Dean
> >
> > Around 11:18 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Kai Schlichting said:
> > > At 09:16 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can someone send me a list of *all* AOL netblocks?  ARIN's whois only gives back a handful.
> > > >
> > > > I want to block _all_ AOL netblocks, but its tough to find out what they are.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to a few malicious, radical antispammers (Chris Neill, Alan Brown, etc) we are getting hit with a large 
> > > > number of criminal mail relays. Mostly coming from AOL addresses. We have about a half dozen individual criminal 
> > > > complaints underway.
> > >
> > > Don't kid us, Dan. Close your fucking relays (not that any of them talk to
> > > my hosts anyhow). If this has to be drummed into your bonehead again: THEY
> > > WILL FIND YOUR RELAYS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY WILL ABUSE THEM, NO MATTER
> > > HOW LOUD YOU SCREAM. THEY SIT IN CHINA, PAKISTAN AND KOREA, AND THERE IS
> > > NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THEM SHORT OF CALLING THE WHITEHOUSE AND GETTING
> > > THESE PLACES INVADED. Alternatively, you could come to your senses and
> > > shut the literal front door of your house now that you've finally noticed
> > > the first unsavory characters passing by. A couple years after the rest
> > > of us, no doubt.
> > >
> > > And they won't need ORBS or any other service to locate you, either.
> > > Stop complaining. No more secrets (now that's from Scott Yelich's tagline).
> > >
> > > bye,Kai
> > >
> > > --
> > > kai () conti nu             "Just say No" to Spam            Kai Schlichting
> > > Palo Alto, New York, You name it             Sophisticated Technical Peon
> > > Kai's SpamShield <tm> is FREE!                 http://SpamShield.Conti.nu
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