Re: ARIN whois

[Dean Anderson <dean () av8 com>]

We're up to 80K and rising. 2 big ones. Some smaller ones over 5K. Most the rest are under $500. Unless we can pin them 
to one or a small group of people. Then all their attacks are summed. A number of small attacks over a short period can 
then be criminal.  This amount interests both lawyers and collections companies.

                --Dean

Around 04:07 PM 11/22/1999 -0600, rumor has it that Joe  Shaw said:
> What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open
> to the world?  While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think
> you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via
> means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the
> FBI.  
>
> The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely
> overworked and way behind.  So, while they will look into the matter, my
> previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack
> of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages
> or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and
> doing trend analysis.  Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you
> probably won't get far.
>
> Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays.
>
> --
> Joseph W. Shaw - jshaw () insync net    
> Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am."
>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:
>
> > These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia. 
> >
> > We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open".  
> >
> >              --Dean
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