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Re: Black Hole Vixie/RBL
From: dirk () power net
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:03:48 -0800
Paul and fans are running a volunteer service that should be a commercial entity. The main problem here is that they are acting as editors for spam. Is spam that passes the MAPS RBL endorsed? Problematic are ISP's that subscribe without disclosing the fact to their customers (or, in some cases, even to their own management). Dirk On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 09:09:45AM -0800, Paul Vixie wrote:
I will at some point today drink enough coffee to gain the self control it would take to not answer crazies. Because that time has not yet come, I can only hope that you, the reader, will delete this message without reading any further. bob () fcn net (Bob Allisat) writes:Mr. Vixie and his cohorts increasingly imagine themselves to be the final and ultimate arbiters in matters of Network integrity. Having them sit in judgement over the Black Holing of successive and alleged perpetrators violates numerous protections and freedoms all citizensYup. Well, your freedoms anyway. Note that the MAPS RBL is a subscription service; no second and third parties are ever denied the opportunity to communicate freely unless one of them subscribes to the MAPS RBL and the other list listed on it.It is my opinion that these activities have reached their zenith and something should be done to finally Black Hole Vixie/RBL should they continue on their renegade mission of uncontrolled and arbitrary censorship. Maybe it is time to pull the plug on the ultimate plug pullers, black hole the black holers!I suppose that you'd prefer "controlled" censorship? Well, anyway, the sysop.com guy is spamming threats far and wide in hopes of scaring away my subscribers, but this doesn't appear to be having his desired effect. Maybe "renegade" is the wrong word? As for your suggestion, I would like it, and I mean I would really, really like it, if you (Bob Allisat) would please blackhole my route in your upstream router. I'm 204.152.184/21. Leave 192.5.4/23 out, since that's where F lives, but I promise that none of my mail or web servers are outside 204.152.184/21. -- Paul Vixie <paul () vix com>
Current thread:
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users, (continued)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Karl Denninger (Nov 19)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Bob Allisat (Nov 19)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users David Stoddard (Nov 19)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Bob Allisat (Nov 20)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Nathan Stratton (Nov 20)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Bob Allisat (Nov 20)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Karl Denninger (Nov 19)
- Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users Phil Howard (Nov 19)
- Re: Black Hole Vixie/RBL Rodney Joffe (Nov 19)
- Re: Black Hole Vixie/RBL Paul Vixie (Nov 19)
- Re: Black Hole Vixie/RBL dirk (Nov 19)
- Re: Black Hole Vixie/RBL Dalvenjah FoxFire (Nov 19)
- Re: Black Hole Vixie/RBL Karl Denninger (Nov 19)