RE: ingress filtering

[jeyers () ialn com]

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Germann [mailto:ekgermann () cctec com]
Sent: Friday, May 29, 1998 8:09 AM
To: John Fraizer
Cc: Mr. Dana Hudes; nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: ingress filtering

At 02:32 PM 5/28/98 -0400, John Fraizer wrote:

> Actually it has nothing to do with WINS.  If all the ISP's would
implement

Bzzt.  Thank you for playing, though.  If it were not for WinS, there
wouldn't
be a second packet being sent, no matter what junk is the payload.

> solid in-addr.arpa reverse mappings, this would go away.  Microsoft's
DNS
> resolver has been extended, when DNS lookups fail, to do a reverse
NETBIOS
> query against the target machine so it can use its name when displaying
> stuff via NBTSTAT, etc.  It was designed this way, before the Internet
> became popular.

Excuse me?  I was using the Internet way before Microshaft was a dream
in Bill's
head.  The RFC's you quote were rammed into existance by DARPA to
provide early
ecanpsulation techniques so that companies like MS could say they were
IP/Internet
compatible, (instead of using a real protocol) and get away from Novel
slamming
them for non-routable protocol support only.  All they did was to take
the same 
non-routable junk and throw it inside an ip packet and call it
"internet" 
compatible.  The RFC's quoted provide a way to make that encapsulation
work, they
do not recommend conversion to that as a standard.  To encourage that
kind of
conversion would be a major leap backwards.  (Wow! let's all abandon our
routeable
protocols and use a non-routed local segment only, encapsulated
protocol.  Yippee!)

Now I agree ISP's should do better DNS resolution, but every MS box
plugged into
the net sending a second packet adds up to a lot of junk packets eating
up 
expensive bandwidth.  MS catches the blunt of the critisizm because they
are the
only ones to have adopted such a lame networking scheme, and then forced
it
down others quotes.

> Before we all rant at MS, I suggest we all read RFC's 1001 and 1002 and
> UNDERSTAND NetBIOS over IP, before we blame ALL the worlds ills on MS.
> Last I knew, they weren't written by MS.
>
>
> RFC 1001-> http://answerpointe.cctec.com/notes/rfcs1/254e_1e2.htm
>
> RFC 1002-> http://answerpointe.cctec.com/notes/rfcs1/2e46_1e2.htm
>
> Author(s): Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, End-to-End
Services
> Task Force, Internet Activities Board, NetBIOS Working Group
>
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