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Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way
From: "Richard Thomas" <buglord () ex-pressnet com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:28:56 -0400
-----Original Message----- From: Karl Denninger <karl () mcs net> To: Richard Thomas <buglord () ex-pressnet com> Cc: nanog () merit edu <nanog () merit edu> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way
Well, we do it one better - we black-hole the network. I just added another ~60 prefixes to the list after another persistent
smurf
attack. I've given up trying to trace them myself (although we do report it) because the big networks, where this originates, are unwilling to help in a timely fashion. If people bitch about the connectivity loss, well tough shit. Better to have a working network that can get to 99.5% of the Internet than a completely trashed one with full visibility.
Somehow I doubt there is a big demand for access to your network from these smurf relays. And if there is 1 person who happens to try, I doubt they will go running to their admins with "I know why we can't connect... Its 'cause we're a smurf relay". All the responsive clueful networks have protected themselves already, what we're dealing with now are the people who don't understand subtle messages like people blocking their connectivity.
I'm going to have to talk to our lawyers about whether or not we could
*sue*
the amplifier networks. Most of them are truly large organizations (ie: universities, big corporations, big national providers, etc) and could
easily
pay such a judgement.
I bet if you just got ONE big judgement there would be a lot more responsiveness out of some of the big guys... =)
Current thread:
- smurf amplifier vs one workstation, (continued)
- smurf amplifier vs one workstation Brian Pape (Jun 22)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Hal Murray (Jun 22)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Karl Denninger (Jun 22)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Steve Sobol (Jun 16)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Curt Howland (Jun 17)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Steve Sobol (Jun 17)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Dean Robb (Jun 17)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Richard Thomas (Jun 16)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Karl Denninger (Jun 16)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Steve Sobol (Jun 16)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Richard Thomas (Jun 16)
- RE: Government scrutiny is headed our way Jamie Scheinblum (Jun 16)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Steve Sobol (Jun 16)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Kent W. England (Jun 17)
- Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way Owen DeLong (Jun 17)
- RE: Government scrutiny is headed our way Andrew Metcalf (Jun 22)
- RE: Government scrutiny is headed our way Charles Sprickman (Jun 22)