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Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access
From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra () scfn thpl lib fl us>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:44:42 -0500
On Fri, Jan 23, 1998 at 12:12:49PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote:
A T1 from us, for example, is $600 a month - WITHOUT the circuit. Its $600 regardless of whether you use tin cans and string, a HDSL DS1, a traditional DS1, a wireless DS1 using whatever, or genies flying around with the bits. The reason is that the local loop cost is not included in the price! Now, ADSL can affect local loop prices (downward). What it can't do is change the basics of how data is transported on a national and international scale, and THAT is where the cost components that go into the $600 fee come from. Anyone claiming they can deliver T1 speeds for $30-40 a month is lying given the current state of interconnection expense across real distances. Quest and others laying fiber will not lower these costs by 95%, which is PRECISELY what has to happen to hit those targets.
Save your breath, Karl; I've been banging this drum for _months_ now, or more, in a half dozen venues, and no one's getting it. The only thing I can figure is that the morons in question are going to quote, for legal purposes, "peak" or "burst" bandwidth, which is moderately safe initially, because the initial customer base will be largely surfers... but if you give people bandwidth like that full time, the server population will _skyrocket_... which they won't account for... the cableco's have already blown this one. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra () baylink com Member of the Technical Staff Unsolicited Commercial Emailers Sued The Suncoast Freenet "Two words: Darth Doogie." -- Jason Colby, Tampa Bay, Florida on alt.fan.heinlein +1 813 790 7592
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- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access, (continued)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Paul A Vixie (Jan 23)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Karl Denninger (Jan 23)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Paul A Vixie (Jan 23)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Karl Denninger (Jan 23)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Eric M. Carroll (Jan 26)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Stephen Balbach (Jan 23)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Martin Hannigan (Jan 23)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Greg Simpson (Jan 23)
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- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 23)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access M. David Leonard (Jan 23)
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- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 23)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Michael Dillon (Jan 24)
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- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 24)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Michael Dillon (Jan 26)
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- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Jay R. Ashworth (Jan 26)
- Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access Sharif Torpis (Jan 26)