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RE: UUNET: Content vs. CIDR


From: Steve Hines <shines () gridnet com>
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:20:30 -0400

Without over-simplifying, or taking a side, aren't we missing the point? 
The big kids make the rules; if the little kids wanna play, they go along
with the big kids' rules.    So the short, and
not-as-facetious-as-it-sounds, answer to "Why is UUNet committing this
atrocity" is "Because they have good reason to believe... 1) it will work;
and     2) they'll get away with, and profit from,  it."   

I think Scott Y. nailed it - we vote with our pocketbooks, and with our
networks.  And we allow (or force?) our customers to do the same - we can't,
after all, eat all of these additional expenses, so end-user prices may be
driven up by UUNet's actions.  If that doesn't meet with acceptance by a
balance of the Internet community, including end-users, then a reaction will
take place.

In the meantime, if your ability to provide service is compromised, I think
you'll find that this will prove an opportunity to the "pretty big"
providers, in that they will be able to fill the gap by selling transit. 
And I think undercutting the "big kids" in pricing that service is not only
likely, but a moral imperative. 
:-)
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Steve Hines                             shines () gridnet com
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Gridnet International                   1 800 GRIDNET
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From:  James Saker[SMTP:jsaker () intellitek com]
Sent:  Friday, May 02, 1997 5:40 PM
To:    'Aaron France'; 'nanog () merit edu'
Cc:    Todd Keener (E-mail)
Subject:       UUNET: Content vs. CIDR


Aaron France writes:
Unless we can implement a way to bill eachother for traffic passed 
through eachothers pipes (reciprical billing, like telco's), they have 
no right to assume that they can bill us because their network is bigger.


Theoretical question: What if ISP-X had only one dedicated connection
behind it, and subsequently was 1/100,000 the size of NSP-Y. ISP-X's only
connection was a single content provider: Yahoo.  

How do we resolve the settlement issues in this model? Why should the ISP-X
pay NSP-Y to deliver valuable content to its consumers (dialup and
dedicated)? Does the possession of more CIDR blocks dictate value? In
today's market (of significant price competition, where UUNET is not
terribly competitive), UUNET would probably experience substantial erosion
of its client base. Wall Street and shareholders should pay particular
attention to UUNET's follow-through of this policy as it appears to have
the potential to impact its market share (and subsequently its revenues).

Traditional broadcasting models work in reverse of the UUNET model, but
again, we're focusing on the wrong layer for settlement; i.e. the value is
in the content, not the CIDR.

Having UUNET charge peering ISPs for application content on their network
is like having Hughes charge Cox, TCI, and other CATV networks for
receiving CNN's broadcast over the satellite, while also charging CNN to
carry their signal. It is my understanding that the settlement is between
the CATV network and CNN, and Hughes is only transit paid for by CNN out of
this settlement revenue. 

As diagrammed (with Internet / CableTV models referenced), the settlement
model should look like this:

      consumer pays local access provider  (ISP / CATV)
      local access provider receives content from transit provider (NSP /
Satellite)
      transit provider is paid by content provider ("webcaster" / Cable network
channel)
      content provider charges local access provider

Looking at a few other industries, there are significant parallels.  With
postal service, the producer of the content usually pays the transit
provider to deliver the content to the recipient. I.e. Compaq pays UPS to
ship a new computer to me. I pay Compaq for the content. Of course, items
can come "postage due," but not typically when the sender has also paid
postage. Does this infer that content producers in the Internet are not
paying 100% of the delivery expense? Considering there is no charge between
UUNET subscribers outside of the fee each pays to connect (i.e. the process
of sending packets to another UUNET subscriber does not create additional
charges outside of the base fee), this does not seem to be the case. 

What then is the origin of the peer point charge? The expense of delivering
the traffic to the exchange for consumption by another external network?
Wasn't this paid for by the content producer (i.e. what is my  $3,000 /
month going for, if not for transit to exchange points? Local loops only
cost $340). Again, it appears that freight has been paid for already in the
UUNET model. It appears that the primary motivation for UUNET's move can
only be to eliminate competitive pressures from mid-sized ISPs by
restricting financially viable peering to a handful of providers,
subsequently increasing network service prices.

Putting our company into the above model, Intellitek (a content provider)
is not interested in charging local access providers for access to our
products at the current time. Marketshare is of significant value, and we
value the unrestrained access to our services consumers of the respective
local access providers.  ISPs represent a significant consumer base, and
unrestrained access by these consumers to our content services is key to
the success of our application.

However, if our transit provider (UUNET) suddenly impacts our ability to 1)
set our delivery policy (presently at zero charge per consumer) and 2)
limits the extent of market reach in its attempt to profit from our
content, I would imagine that we would not continue the use of such a
transit provider, with one exception.

If we balance the settlements by charging the transit provider, we
subsequently create a situation where charges are being passed on. I.e.
UUNET becomes a wholesaler of Intellitek application services. UUNET
benefits from content consumed from our application service through peer
points. Content is subsequently transfered to UUNET's domain through a
distributor arrangement for delivery to ISP "retail outlets."

This may work in an environment where peering is not restricted on a casual
basis, and multiple transit arrangements are available. I cannot imagine a
Compaq or Digital limiting distribution of its product through only one
wholesaler -- and content providers equally would not support such a
relationship with its transit provider.

I expect that if UUNET continues its course, content providers on its
network will either migrate to other networks to ensure delivery of their
content to their market without restriction, or impose settlements on UUNET
that balance the economic model and open their networks multiple transit
providers.

JRS

James R. Saker Jr.                     Intellitek Inc.
President, Network Media Division      voice: 402.333.6233
jsaker () intellitek com               fax: 402.333.6432
http://intellitek.com  





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