Re: Plethora of UUnet outages and instabilities

[Deepak Jain <deepak () jain com>]

My first question is: Have you ever tried putting an RSP2 in a 7505? It 
ships with an RSP, second, have you tried putting an RSP4 in a 7505? It 
works too. Cisco isn't real happy about it, and of course I wouldn't 
recommend it, but it works.

Next, if your network is that busy, you honestly don't keep that 
kind of spare/upgrade equipment around?

-Deepak.

On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Wayne Bouchard wrote:

> Thats my point. It often ISN'T easy. For example, say you've got a
> 7505 in one spot and find its getting killed. You can't put an rsp4 in
> a 7505. You've got to replace the router. Anyone got any spare 7507s
> or 7513s lying around? Chances are that if they do, its 2 or 3.
>
> Its actually going to be a bit more problematic to split the load
> between two routers since that can mean notable changes in the
> internal routing or the BGP tables. Not to mention calculating what
> kind of traffic is going to pass BETWEEN the two routers.
>
> Straightforward, yes. Easy, no.
>
> > Why wouldn't upgrading the router's CPU or splitting the load between two 
> > separate routers solve the problem? Maybe that's not an overnight 
> > solution [unless you have spare RSPs in the POP/colo point] but it seems 
> > pretty straight forward to me.
> >
> > -Deepak.
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Wayne Bouchard wrote:
> >
> > > I know one of the problems that UUNET has been having (and I believe
> > > several other folks as well) is high CPU usage on many of their
> > > routers. (When the ping times to the router itself get high its either
> > > a congested link or, usually, a router thats spinning hard..) However,
> > > thats not a problem you can fix easily or fix overnight.
> > >
> > > > Oh God, NYC1.  Look out for that ugly beast...  We are unfortunate enough
> > > > to have a connection off of that thing.  The NOC is good, if you're up for
> > > > entertainment.  Let me count the times I've heard "what's traceroute" on
> > > > the phone with them.  Let me tell you about outages where they "forgot to
> > > > take the loopback off the T" for like 6 hours.  Or my favorite (once you
> > > > hit a high-level brainwashed engineer) the good old "I don't see *any*
> > > > packet loss, so everything is OK".  "Yes, but I'm seeing ping times of
> > > > 500ms to your router, and our line isn't near saturation by a long
> > > > shot"...  "I don't see any packet loss", etc...
> > > >
> > > > blech.  I would not recommend them to my worst enemy.
> > > >
> > > > Charles
> > > >
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> > > > Charles Sprickman                               Internet Channel
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:18:06 -0400
> > > > > From: Alex Rubenstein <alex () nac net>
> > > > > To: Josh Beck <jbeck () connectnet com>, nanog () merit edu
> > > > > Subject: Re: Plethora of UUnet outages and instabilities
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All I know is they suck moose nipples, and I disconnected from them last
> > > > > week. They have been having problems in/around cr1.nyc1 for MONTHS now, and
> > > > > they are doing nothing (that I can see) to fix it. Thier first-level
> > > > > support is horrendous. One guy once said to me, "Routers have
> > > > > processors?!". Another hung up when I told him to put "CUSTOMER IS IRATE"
> > > > > on the trouble ticket. 
> > > > >
> > > > > There are some GOOD guys over there, but them seem to be disappearing? (are
> > > > > you there, Mr. Hannan?)
> > > > >
> > > > > HELLO, GENUITY (anyone who is looking for a new provider, Genuity is DAMN
> > > > > good. and a DAMN good NOC. Sales guys are a little whacky, tho).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 02:12 PM 6/30/97 -0700, Josh Beck wrote:
> > > > > > Has everyone else been seeing the almost daily UUnet outages recently,
> > > > > > does anyone know what the true causes of these have been?
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > >
> > > > >  "Don't go with a spineless ISP;
> > > > >       we have more backbone." 
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex Rubenstein -- alex () nac net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net
> > > > > net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725
> > >
> > >
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