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Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming...
From: Guy T Almes <almes () advanced org>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:09:33 -0400
Alex, I agree with much of your analysis, but would argue that the two techniques of: - source address filtering and - syn/synack/ack ratio detection are *complementary* approaches, both of which have promise. Due to asymmetric routes and other reasons, neither seems very promising within core routers. Source address filtering, however, should become standard practice near the edge of the net and help control attacks near the source host. Syn/synack/ack ratio detection is complementary, since it could help detect an attack near the destination host. I am also a bit skeptical about the idea of automatically shutting down an interface upon noticing anomolies in the ratios, but that does not detract from the value of ratio anomoly detection as a valuable network management technique. -- Guy At 09:48 PM 9/17/96 +0100, Alex.Bligh wrote:
um... maybe i'm missing the clue here, but if the router vendors add something that shuts down an interface if the SYN/SYN-ACK/ACK ratio becomes too bad make it *easier* for me if i'm doing a denial of service attack on a host?On "core" (whatever that means) you only need an extra couple of hundred SYNs /sec to be passing through an attack, on many many 000s of SYNs per sec. On customer facing routers, much easier just to block packets with source addresses not on customer LANs. IE where your solution would help, one can already fix the problem w/o a s/w change. Alex Bligh Xara Networks
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Current thread:
- router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Regis Donovan (Sep 17)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Alex.Bligh (Sep 17)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Mr. Jeremy Hall (Sep 17)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Perry E. Metzger (Sep 17)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Jeff Young (Sep 17)
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- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Vadim Antonov (Sep 17)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Paul Ferguson (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Guy T Almes (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Michael Dillon (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Guy T Almes (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Justin W. Newton (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Vern Paxson (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Michael Dillon (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Larry J. Plato (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... George Herbert (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Mark A. Fullmer (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Michael Dillon (Sep 18)
- Re: router syn/syn-ack/ack alarming... Michael Dillon (Sep 18)