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Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone)
From: "Justin W. Newton" <justin () erols com>
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:34:31 -0400
At 10:50 AM 4/14/96 -0700, Internet Architect wrote:
Bill, A short answer to your refusal to peer objection in SPRINT's policies in the form of a question. Which is better: 1. peering with everyone at an exchange, including those ISPs who are clearly clueless, and whose cluelessness leads to operational problems, i.e. injection of bogus routes, black holes, routing loops, routing flaps, and BGP peer transitions?
Clue and size have very little to do with each other. I setup and ran a router at MAE east for a few months and am about to setup routers at MAE East and Pennsauken. To date I have /never/ blown someone else's routes into someone else unless I was intentionally readvertising those routes as per someone's request. My router was properly dampened, didn't cause routing loops etc etc. That is /not/ the basis of Sprint's policy. Sprint's policyu is based on the I'm big and you're not philosophy. If peering was based on properly making announcements and not flapping etc etc, sprint themselves wouldn't have a lot of peers right now. (Sprint has in the past advertised routes that were not theirs, and were in fact mine on numerous occasions). As for stability, well, things have gotten a lot better.
2. qualifying each of your peers as being clueful, prior to peering with them, such that you (and your customers!) don't suffer from the cluelessness of others?
Sounds like a great idea. Justin Newton * You have to change just to stay Internet Architect * caught up. Erol's Internet Services *
Current thread:
- The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) William Allen Simpson (Apr 14)
- Some corrections Dorian Kim (Apr 14)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Jeremy Porter (Apr 14)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Paul Frommeyer (Apr 15)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Erik E. Fair (Apr 14)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Justin W. Newton (Apr 15)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) William Allen Simpson (Apr 15)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Jeremy Porter (Apr 16)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) William Allen Simpson (Apr 15)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Jeremy Porter (Apr 16)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Avi Freedman (Apr 16)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Jeremy Porter (Apr 16)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) EDS (Apr 16)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Curtis Villamizar (Apr 17)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Paul Ferguson (Apr 16)
- Re: The Attitude (was: the Internet Backbone) Paul Ferguson (Apr 16)