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Re: MAE-East
From: "Brett D. Watson" <bwatson () mci net>
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:56:30 -0400
That was precisely the point of my last note. I *want* to get involved in finding a reliable way to measure network performance and I *want* to be proactive at it. I absolutely hate telling customers that "pinging a cisco is not a good indicator..." but like you say "there ain't no other way". Just as ping and traceroute are not good indicators of performance, saying that they aren't good indicators is *not* acceptable to customers paying money for your service. So just for the record, I'm not working for a provider and whining that it's not our fault. I want to find a good way to measure peformance on my network and I'd love to be able to publish some results. Guy Almes contacted me about getting involved and that's just what I want to do. -brett
A couple quick points: the place to go to for this kind of thing should be your direct service provider, who hopefully has some means of communicating with upstream and peer providers when things are going wrong somehow, or at least might be able to give you some additional information.Ahem, my success rate at that has been less than stellar. If you guys (you service providers, not you Sean) are so worried about being asked questions in public (and short of com-priv, I see no more logical place for this than NANOG if "local" questions don't work], why don't you work on schemes to pro-actively publish performance data? Otherwise you *will* get called to the table based on ping and traceroute data, there just ain't no other way. Either *you* do it, or others will do it for you, with the tools they find most appropriate, and all your whining will eventually be discounted. Be pro-active, or give them better tools. You *asked* to be in the kitchen, *you* better deliver a working network, including at the Internet-systemic level and not only in your own service provider centric environment. I suppose that if you guys can't figure it out yourself, there is always the opportunity to get it fixed by someone else. Like, ahem, regulation.
Current thread:
- MAE-East Ran Atkinson (Oct 21)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: MAE-East Scott Bradner (Oct 21)
- Re: MAE-East Steve Feldman (Oct 21)
- Re: MAE-East Sean Doran (Oct 21)
- Re: MAE-East Sean Doran (Oct 21)
- Re: MAE-East Sean Doran (Oct 22)
- Re: MAE-East William Allen Simpson (Oct 22)
- Re: MAE-East Sean Doran (Oct 22)
- Re: MAE-East Hans-Werner Braun (Oct 23)
- Re: MAE-East Nathan Stratton (Oct 23)
- Re: MAE-East Hans-Werner Braun (Oct 23)
- Re: MAE-East Brett D. Watson (Oct 23)
- Re: MAE-East William Allen Simpson (Oct 23)
- Re: MAE-East Vadim Antonov (Oct 23)