Re NYTimes: Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk and the Feud Over Killer Robots

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: David Orban <david () davidorban com>
> Date: June 11, 2018 at 8:59:13 AM PDT
> To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> Cc: ip <ip () listbox com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] NYTimes: Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk and the Feud Over Killer Robots
>
> > evolution does not turn rocks into birds.
>
> Huh? Actually that is exactly what evolution does. 
>
> It takes a very long time: 4 billion years ago there were only rocks on Earth, no birds. Now we have birds, and we've 
> had them for a few tens of millions of years.
>
> There are those who are asking whether the evolution of evolution, the emergence of tools that produce faster 
> solutions to changing conditions, has leveled up. After the way biology has been able to produce these solutions, 
> we've seen the way human culture and technology did the same: the difference is astonishing, when you look around the 
> planet. Will we see a similar step function change with ever smarter autonomous systems?
>
> Even if you believe we won't, it is worth letting those who want to find out the answers run their experiments. And 
> if in the meantime they sell stock of their companies, let them. Once they are going to be found to have been wrong 
> to worry, we can all rejoice, and sell the stock in their respective companies. Were it that they were right, helping 
> them may save the human race. 
>
> David Orban
> "What is the question that I should be asking?"
> twitter, linkedin, etc: davidorban
>
> ᐧ
>
> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:02 PM Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: Daniel Berninger <dan () danielberninger com>
> > > Date: June 11, 2018 at 04:29:32 PDT
> > > To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> > > Subject: NYTimes: Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk and the Feud Over Killer Robots
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > For IP, the NYTimes pretends in a Sunday article the Musk/Zuckerberg "feud" anchors two sides of the AI debate.
> > >
> > > "Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk and the Feud Over Killer Robots"
> > >
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/09/technology/elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg-artificial-intelligence.html
> > >
> > > Nope.  Elon and Mark evangelize the same promise/threat of a "Singularity" where AI (aka computers) surpass humans.
> > >
> > > The "debate" is actually over whether or not this Singularity ever happens.  
> > >
> > > George Gilder answers with an emphatic *not* in his next book "Life After Google" .
> > >
> > > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/life-after-google-george-gilder/1126605456
> > >
> > > The plans of Elon and Mark and their fellow AI evangelists suffer the "Real Boy Fantasy".
> > >
> > > Geppetto's ambitions to turn Pinnochio into a real boy required a magical animate piece of wood.
> > >
> > > Elon and Mark rely on the inevitable force of evolution, but I am afraid evolution does not turn rocks into birds.
> > >
> > > Evolution also does not involve software programing (aka human) intervention.
> > >
> > > The march to infinite processing capacity is irrelevant to this fact.
> > >
> > > Processing does not bring symbols to life any more than an effort to perfect the painting of a portrait.
> > >
> > > The only super intelligence revealed in the NYTimes article and the entire AI debate is the ability of Elon and 
> > > Mark to sell stock.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > ..........................................
> > > Daniel Berninger
> > > Founder, Voice Communication Exchange Committee
> > > e: dan () danielberninger com
> > > tel SD: +1.202.250.3838
> > > SIP HD: dan () danielberninger com
> > > w: www.vcxc.org
>
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