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Re Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox.
From: "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:17:12 +0000
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Doc Searls <doc () searls com> Date: Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Re Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox. To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net> CC: ip <ip () listbox com> I’m a Cox customer in Santa Barbara. When I talked to a Cox support person about this new pricing scheme, she said it was all about gamers. It’s gamers alone that use by far the most data, and while they are a small wedge of the customer pie, their usage patterns are so significantly large that the company felt it needed to come up with a way to address their level of use with higher fees that wouldn’t affect even the normal customers who are relatively large users of data. Even if one watches lots of Netflix, she said, or watches one’s home set top box through a Sling system (which we do more often than we watch the same box at home), one is unlikely to go above 1Tb/mo. I’ve watched our usage on the Cox website, and that seems to be the case. When I asked whether they thought about coming up with a plan just for gamers, she said something like, “that wouldn’t be neutral.” In New York, where we have the apartment we’re in now, we’re connected by Spectrum (née Time Warner Cable). There are no data limits, and the cognitive overhead is much lower than with Cox. And that to me is the real issue with Cox’s data usage fee structure. FWIW, I would gladly pay a lot more for as much upstream as I have downstream here in NYC (320Mb/s). That way I could store more data offsite and do more work in various clouds. Given how big a deal clouds are, and how poorly the personal gear makers (primarily Apple, Google and Microsoft) have addressed the need easily to store and catalog the large amounts of data their gear would like to generate (e.g. 4k video on iPhones and Androids), you’d think the carriers might address that market need somehow. (Come to think of it, I’m surprised that Amazon hasn’t found a way to bundle upstream connections into AWS as a feature of the all-consuming Prime.) Doc On Feb 20, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Charley Kline <csk () mail com> Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 4:15 PM Subject: RE: [IP] Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox. To: <dave () farber net> Comcast has the same thing. First 1024GB are bundled. After that it is $10 per 50GB with a max of $200 no matter how much you use. For $50/month you can get unlimited. According to Comcast, 99% of their users use less than 1 TB. http://dtpln.b1.app.cloud.comcast.net/faq/ for details. Charley Kline *From:* Dave Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:44 PM *To:* ip <ip () listbox com> *Subject:* [IP] Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Bob Frankston <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com> Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:39 PM Subject: Cockamamie #broadband pricing from #Cox. To: David J. J Farber <Dave () farber net> First 1024GB are bundled for about $40(?). The next 1024GB is $10/50GB or over $200 for the next 1024GB. Explain? I see this as non-neutrality #NN in action. Neutrality should be linear pricing for each gigabyte (actually we should charge for gigabytes at all but that's a different issue). I argue any perverse pricing like this is a violation of neutrality principles. I would compare it to a 19th century railroad limiting how much wheat each farmer could ship and then increasing the price for the next batch. Just because they are rent-seekers in total control of the path. Note the base pricing is a guess because Cox et al bundle prices and hide necessary information/ (Posted as https://www.facebook.com/bob.frankston/posts/10155212464263021 or those interested). Bob Frankston http://Frankston.com <http://frankston.com/> @BobFrankston This message was sent to the list address and trashed, but can be found online. <https://www.listbox.com/login/messages/view/20180222093346:616671D8-17DD-11E8-8CB5-BECC62DEC9CE/> ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/18849915-ae8fa580 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=18849915&id_secret=18849915-aa268125 Unsubscribe Now: https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?member_id=18849915&id_secret=18849915-32545cb4&post_id=20180222171730:2A1D42B0-181E-11E8-95E2-ACEC809D24D5 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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