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re Vint Cerf: Traceability
From: "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 10:36:56 +0900
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From: Sven Dietrich <spock () ieee org> Date: August 6, 2018 at 10:31:31 GMT+9 To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Vint Cerf: Traceability Hi Dave, That "differential traceability" concept is not new. I explored the concept of levels of anonymity and traceability (LEVANT) back in 2004 at CERT with Howard Lipson: https://resources.sei.cmu.edu/asset_files/TechnicalReport/2004_005_001_60871.pdf Howard Lipson († 2016) was also the author of the CERT Track & Trace special report (2002), on the difficulty of cross-domain/cross-jurisdiction track & trace: https://resources.sei.cmu.edu/library/asset-view.cfm?assetid=5831 For IP if you wish. Sven -- Sven Dietrich CUNY John Jay College of Criminal Justice Associate Professor Department of Mathematics and Computer Science spock () ieee org 524 West 59th Street, Room 06.65.13NB T: +1-212-393-6839 New York, NY 10019, USAOn 8/5/18 21:11, Dave Farber wrote:Begin forwarded message: *From: *Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com <mailto:lauren () vortex com>> *Subject: **[ NNSquad ] Vint Cerf: Traceability* *Date: *August 6, 2018 8:53:53 JST *To: *nnsquad () nnsquad org <mailto:nnsquad () nnsquad org> Vint Cerf: Traceability https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2018/8/229771-traceability/fulltext "This suggests to me that the notion of traceability under (internationally?) agreed circumstances (that is, differential traceability) might be a fruitful concept to explore. In most societies today, it is accepted that we must be identifiable to appropriate authorities under certain conditions (consider border crossings, traffic violation stops as examples). While there are conditions under which apparent anonymity is desirable and even justifiable (whistle-blowing, for example) absolute anonymity is actually quite difficult to achieve (another point made at the Ditchley workshop) and might not be absolutely desirable given the misbehaviors apparent anonymity invites. I expect this is a controversial conclusion and I look forward to subsequent discussion." - - - While I have frequently called for greater accountability in key aspects of Internet operations (in particular, public access to WHOIS domain data except in limited circumstances), I fear that in the general case Vint's Traceability proposal would mostly gladden the hearts of bad governmental players in countries such as China, Russia, and even here in the USA. It basically amounts to an escrowed identity system, a concept that has been widely and appropriately criticized in the encryption arena. Given that a significant degree of anonymity is crucial for human rights advocates and others who live in areas of the world that are routinely under government oppression, I do not see obvious ways that Vint's proposal could be implemented without innocent parties being even more at the mercy of oppressive governments than they are today. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein (lauren () vortex com): https://www.vortex.com/lauren Lauren's Blog: https://lauren.vortex.com Google Issues Mailing List: https://vortex.com/google-issues Founder: Network Neutrality Squad: https://www.nnsquad.org PRIVACY Forum: https://www.vortex.com/privacy-info Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility: https://www.pfir.org/pfir-info Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Google+: https://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein Twitter: https://twitter.com/laurenweinstein Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 _______________________________________________ nnsquad mailing list https://lists.nnsquad.org/mailman/listinfo/nnsquadArchives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?> Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now <https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?&&post_id=20180805211141:AB171F3A-9915-11E8-9DF0-A90D10C851D3> [Powered by Listbox] <https://www.listbox.com>
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