Reasoning, Schmeasoning!

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: "Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
> Date: January 2, 2017 at 11:28:49 AM EST
> To: "'Peter G. Neumann'" <neumann () csl sri com>, "  " <dave () farber net>
> Subject: RE: Reasoning, Schmeasoning!
>
> At this point it is about emotions. This is why I don't want to allow the
> idea of Russians (and others) hacking as being normalized and accepted by
> putting the blame on the victims. 
>
> If I wanted to continue the rational tack I'd identify one root assumption
> as being that there are parts but not wholes so we should arm ourselves
> rather than having police departments. But that gets too far into logical
> thinking. For now anger at the Putin is important.
>
> Yeah -- what words like "safe" mean is another very interested discussion
> for those who are interested in such topics and appreciate ambiguity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter G. Neumann [mailto:neumann () csl sri com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:19
> To: Bob Frankston <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>; dave () farber net
> Subject: Reasoning, Schmeasoning!
>
> Bob,
>
> > By this reasoning we shouldn't live in cities because they are not 
> > safe and we shouldn't drink water because it may not be safe. No sense 
> > of why we have police departments and the FDA and other society 
> > mechanisms. No sense of why we have civilization.
>
> This is one of the problems that we are now going to have, in spades.
> *You* are a rational person with a logical mind.
> It is very dangerous to assume that everyone else is -- and particularly our
> president-elect.
>
> By the way,
> "No computer is safe" is not an unambiguous logical statement.
> Safe from what?  [safe from being hacked?] Safe for humans?  [safe if used
> in life-critical situations?] Or "safe" in the sense of something we can
> store things in
>  and lock the safe, which would mean a typo in
>  "No computer is a safe."
> or even
>  "No computer is a safe safe."



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