Re neutrality versus carrier laws

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Richard Bennett <richard () bennett com>
> Date: December 13, 2017 at 8:28:08 PM EST
> To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> Cc: ip <ip () listbox com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] neutrality versus carrier laws
>
> Here’s a suggestion: before spinning ditzy tales about life after net neutrality, how about doing a little research, 
> OK? The market for Internet ads is not competitive (as the Forbes-hosted blogger claims), it’s concentrated in two 
> firms who control 100% of new ads at this point. These two firms, Google and Facebook, collect information from the 
> websites we visit. When the ISPs are regulated under the same terms as the duopoly, they will still have less 
> information because they don’t see nearly as many people as the web-based trackers and most of the information they 
> do see is encrypted. 
>
> Nobody has an interest in covering your screen with ads for Plato’s closet; that will make you stop using the 
> Internet, which has the side-effect of drying up their revenue stream. And the FTC’s privacy guidelines give us 
> opt-outs for the collection of the information about which Prof. Pollack speculates. 
>
> Like it or not, Tim Berners-Lee’s web is funded by advertising. People are OK with that, but we do want the ads we 
> see to be less numerous, more relevant, and less destructive to web performance. 
>
> How about we discuss real issues for a change instead of all these nonsensical fantasies about practices that are 
> either unlawful or unacceptable commercially? Congress considered regulating email as a common carrier back in the 
> Kennard era (see 1998 Universal Service report), but the idea did not have legs. The FCC can’t just summarily decide 
> that Google, Twitter, Facebook and Amazon are common carriers. The information services would sue, and they would win.
>
> RB
>
> > On Dec 13, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Jordan Pollack <pollack () brandeis edu>
> > Date: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:22 PM
> > Subject: neutrality versus carrier laws
> > To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> >
> >
> > Dave, I was expecting a lot of IPers to sound off on tomorrows giveaway. Of course I am in AI not networking, but 
> > this is my take.  Maybe I'm totally wrong about ISP's getting to spam me if the handcuffs come off, but this Forbes 
> > piece implies the same thing: 
> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/06/14/where-will-verizons-oath-stand-in-the-digital-advertising-market/#779dc07f495a
> >
> > I emailed (academic gmail) my wife (comcast) that I saw a new consignment store opened in the next town, and 
> > suddenly graphic ads for Plato's closet were all over my screen. I will search maps for a new plumber, then my phone 
> > started ringing with Robo-Rooter calls. Verizon and Comcast are not ISP's anymore than Amazon is a bookstore or 
> > Google is an index. They are conglomerates which must be regulated as CARRIERS to prevent profiting off our privacy. 
> > Carriers cannot eavesdrop to sell us to advertisers. Ma Bell has been jealous of Google and been lobbying for Pai's 
> > Evil Plan for years, which explains the insane acquisition price for Yahoo. Instead of letting them all sell us as 
> > "hot leads", the FCC must turn these new forms of mass communication into carriers. Google Duo and Microsoft Skype 
> > and Apple FaceTime will have AI listening to your speech, not for "overthrow the government" but for "Camry" and 
> > "Camaro" to sell you to car dealers. Comcast will algorithmically slide the highest bidding tv ads into your 
> > channels with synthespians of your statistically favorite celebrities selling you just what their AI predicts you 
> > want. Its not about throttling Netflix, it's about you receiving collect phonesex calls after watching porn. Netflix 
> > tax is just the propaganda Google and Facebook use to distract the public from their mindfucking business practices. 
> > After doubling the market cap of the baby bells, which hopefully FCC ethics prevent directors from owning, the 
> > struggling USPS will also be allowed to X-ray your letters to give your address to paying purveyors of junk mail. 
> > Its just a Federal Gmail on paper! Natural communication monopolies and duopolies must be regulated to protect 
> > public's privacy, or be broken up. 
> >
> > Jordan
> > -- 
> > Jordan B. Pollack, Chairman        http://www.cs.brandeis.edu
> > Computer Science Department        email:pollack () brandeis edu
> > MS018,  Brandeis University        Phone/Fx:781-736-2713/2741
> > Waltham Massachusetts 02454        alumni:www.Blints.org/join
>
> —
> Richard Bennett
> High Tech Forum Founder
> Ethernet & Wi-Fi standards co-creator
>
> Internet Policy Consultant



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