Re GoDaddy finally took down neo-Nazi website & Google booted it next

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: John Day <jeanjour () comcast net>
> Date: August 15, 2017 at 2:39:43 PM EDT
> To: farber Dave <farber () gmail com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re GoDaddy finally took down neo-Nazi website & Google booted it next
>
> There is also isolating them so there aren’t enough in anyone place to reach critical mass.  The KKK, the Birch 
> Society, etc have been around for a very long time, but at least in the 20th C their numbers had dwindled to the 
> point that there were only a few places they had numbers to reach critical mass and they were limited in converting 
> others. I have always been appalled by how late lynchings were common in this country.
>
> The real question which was addressed by an earlier post is why certain people are attracted to this kind of hate. 
> There are the usual fear of those they don’t know, the desire to think there is someone below them, etc.  But there 
> is something in others that goes way beyond that. This always reminds me of an issue of the New York Review of a book 
> I read a long time ago. One article reviewed a book that look at the question of why in the South before the Civil 
> War if there was a small minority that owned slaves was there such support for secession. A lot of the answer 
> especially among poor whites was as long as there were slaves there was someone under them. In the same issue was an 
> article by Andrew Young commenting on a KKK demonstration in a far suburb of Atlanta. Young pointed out that the 
> demonstration wasn’t racist but economic.  A small town was becoming “gentrified” and an Atlanta suburb and 
> professionals were moving in (black and white) and the indigenous population was losing influence and moving down the 
> ladder.  
>
> Good editors can make a strong point without saying a word.
>
> But the fact remains, there has been a marked up turn in hate crimes with Trump.  It was clear in the campaign that 
> he was running the Milosevic playbook and we are seeing the results of that. It has to be stopped.
>
> John
>
> > On Aug 15, 2017, at 13:32, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > From: Charles Arthur <charles.arthur () gmail com>
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] Re GoDaddy finally took down neo-Nazi website & Google booted it next
> > > Date: August 15, 2017 at 1:24:17 PM EDT
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Cc: gumby () henkel-wallace org
> > >
> > > If we are for the moment ignoring “does it meet the Ts and Cs” (where the Ts and Cs can presumably include “don’t 
> > > be horrendously racist”, in which case it’s outside them…)
> > >
> > > One has to balance the value of “keeping racism in the public eye” with “denying people who want to foment 
> > > extremism and to radicalise people an easily found meeting point”. Racism doesn’t thrive when it’s atomised or its 
> > > proponents are split apart, because of the peer pressure from non-racists. 
> > >
> > > The same pattern is repeated for any extreme behaviour on the net: if you provide an easy site for people to 
> > > gather, then you’ll get a shift towards greater extremes of that behaviour. Cass Sunstein has written about this: 
> > >
> > > http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2009/06/how_on_earth_do_you_tame_extremists.html
> > >
> > > On that basis, making a site for Nazis homeless seems an overall positive. The comparison with human trafficking 
> > > isn’t reasonable. The motives aren’t the same at all.
> >
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