Re For the New Far Right, YouTube Has Become the New Talk Radio

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan () gmail com>
> Date: August 3, 2017 at 7:33:37 PM EDT
> To: "dave () farber net" <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] For the New Far Right, YouTube Has Become the New Talk Radio
>
> Dr Farber,
> [for IP, if you wish]
> I was raised Muslim, am no longer one. Certain members of my family remain as such. My uncle works at Intel, but at 
> the time he was at Cisco and was telling me about how a scholar was publishing lectures on youtube and "all the 
> youth" listen to him. His name, "Dr." Anwar al-Awlaki. For those with a shorter memory for names than I, Awlaki was 
> an New Mexico-born Yemeni cleric who was barred from entering the United Kingdom on terrorist grounds. 
>
> The problem with Islam are manyfold, but the presence of extremist preachers is an effect of the way Islam is taught 
> to youth. Namely, I read the Quran in a mosque, in classical Arabic, because translations into the vernacular would 
> destroy the poetic nature of the words.[1] 
>
> In my opinion, religion should teach one how to live and Islam does so, in a language that few understand and so are 
> trusted to make the interpretations for the rest of us. I'd much rather have been told, "yes, this is like 
> Shakespeare and operates at multiple levels. We are reading this in its original first, after every few sentences, 
> we'll read from a translation. Like most other aspects,translation loses some of the intent of the original, so we 
> Muslims are encouraged to think about and adapt these verses for our own lives". 
>
> I'd probably still feel that religion is an outmoded form of scientific inquiry, but if mosques were to encourage the 
> understanding, instead of rote memorisation and regurgitation, most of the casual followers of extremist clerics 
> wouldn't exist. 
>
> I know that Islamism and the new right are diametrically opposed poles of the same. But, they both want to radically 
> alter our secular, western societies. Both rely on the ideologically-isolating nature of networks to gain recruits. 
> As Thomas L. Friedman is so fond of saying, the biggest beneficiaries of globalisation are Bill Gates and Osama bin 
> Laden. -- H
>
> -- H
> 1. This, and other such idiotic statements form the basis of my leaving Islam.
> > On 3 August 2017 at 15:45, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com>
> > > Date: August 3, 2017 at 6:04:28 PM EDT
> > > To: nnsquad () nnsquad org
> > > Subject: [ NNSquad ] For the New Far Right, YouTube Has Become the New Talk Radio
> > >
> > >
> > > For the New Far Right, YouTube Has Become the New Talk Radio
> > >
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/magazine/for-the-new-far-right-youtube-has-become-the-new-talk-radio.html
> > >
> > >      In response videos, YouTube and its owner, Google, were cast
> > >    as an oppressive establishment forcing left-wing politics into
> > >    users' feeds.  Black Pigeon Speaks published his own video,
> > >    "#CreatorsForChange -- YouTube Propaganda Gets REKT -- Yet
> > >    Again," in which he quickly segued from the platform's
> > >    campaign to a brazen claim that "diversity always leads to
> > >    fractured societies that always break down." The comments on
> > >    YouTube's original video introducing the program were rapidly
> > >    flooded with bile. "Meet the rainbow coalition of YouTubers
> > >    who hate white people!" read one top-voted comment. "I never
> > >    hated diversity until media began to forcefully push it down
> > >    my throat," read another.
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > My personal opinion: Toss these vile racists off of YouTube entirely.
> > > Stop permitting them to leverage our platforms to spread hate. Let
> > > them build their own social media services (and their own Internet,
> > > for that matter). Stuff them back into their cages where they were
> > > before our technology gave these vile sociopaths a giant megaphone.
> > >
> > > --Lauren--
> > > Lauren Weinstein (lauren () vortex com): 
> >
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