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Re How France's TV5 was almost destroyed by 'Russian hackers'
From: "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:19:57 +0000
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Richard OBrien <Richard.OBrien () paymentpathways com> Date: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Re How France's TV5 was almost destroyed by 'Russian hackers' To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, <herblin () stanford edu> Dave, Herb’s comments spotlight a force multiplier effect when psychological, legal and economic boundaries are crossed. However, we should remain vigilant of *any* use of cyber weaponry. If DDOS attack sources can be taken as a proxy indicator for bad guy geography, may I suggest there's nothing unique about attacks from Russia. http://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=1&country=ALL&list=2&time=17153&view=map ‘Building walls’ is a failed doctrine, not worth re-visiting. Building Verified Trust infrastructure is a better doctrine. To paraphrase Friedman’s recent book “Thank You for Being Late" <https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/thomas-l-friedman/thank-you-for-being-late/>, "Verified Trust is the best *performance enhancing *drug on the market.” Mere Trust is an anachronism. It means “Lack of Knowledge.” The world needs frameworks for new rules to insure access to Verified Trust. Rick On Dec 18, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Herb Lin <herblin () stanford edu> Date: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:57 AM Subject: RE: [IP] How France's TV5 was almost destroyed by 'Russian hackers' To: dave () farber net <dave () farber net>, ip <ip () listbox com> A chilling story indeed. But I think the key paragraph is this one: It was a race against time - more systems were corrupted with every passing minute. Any substantial delay would have led satellite distribution channels to cancel their contracts, placing the entire company in jeopardy. In other words, it was customers cancelling contracts that was the ultimate threat to the company. This particular story thus indicates the value of destructive cyberattacks in prompting or instigating large scale reaction that can amplify by many times the effect of any given attack. An interesting question arises – did the attackers know in advance that their attack would place the very economic survival of the company at risk? Or had they “merely” intended wreak havoc that they expected would have only short term effects? Was the existential nature of threat to the company just fortuitous from their perspective? If the first (they knew in advance), it seems like an exercise in predicting second order effects – this time, second order effects that are psychological, legal, and economic in nature, rather than technical. That’s a significant expansion of the space that planners of an attack must account for – and defenders too. herb ======================================================================= Herb Lin Senior Research Scholar, Center for International Security and Cooperation Research Fellow, Hoover Institution Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305 USA herblin () stanford edu 650-497-8600 office || 202-841-0525 cell || 202-540-9878 fax AIM herblin (any time you see me) Skype herbert_lin (usually by appointment) Twitter @HerbLinCyber #safetypin -----Original Message----- From: Dave Farber [mailto:farber () gmail com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 5:10 PM To: ip <ip () listbox com> Subject: [IP] How France's TV5 was almost destroyed by 'Russian hackers' http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37590375 Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/1126973-2040a819> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&> Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now <https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?&&post_id=20161218090624:27156D46-C52B-11E6-9670-CC90FC91849D> <http://www.listbox.com/> Richard O'Brien // President & CEO // Verification Pathways is a Payment Pathways, Inc. project // Office: 312-346-9400 // Mobile: 630-715-0956 *This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message from your email system. If you are not the named addressee, you should not disseminate, distribute, or copy this email.Public key fingerprint: C12C 7CD1 347B 9AB7 F392 5D40 B4A6 CFD5 567B D357* ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/18849915-ae8fa580 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=18849915&id_secret=18849915-aa268125 Unsubscribe Now: https://www.listbox.com/unsubscribe/?member_id=18849915&id_secret=18849915-32545cb4&post_id=20161218132015:9D3B83E8-C54E-11E6-AAB3-C7833E37D085 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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