re Ariz. college using RFID for the appearance of class attendance

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

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> From: Bob Frankston <bob2-39 () bobf frankston com>
> Date: May 4, 2010 7:41:24 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net, 'ip' <ip () v2 listbox com>
> Subject: RE: [IP] re Ariz. college using RFID for the appearance of  
> class attendance

> What makes this especially worrisome is that we aren’t even requirin 
> g real proof – so we are putting people under surveillance knowing t 
> hat it’s a charade.
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> Is this a “presumed guilty” attitude? What could have a more  
> chilling effect on thinking outside the box putting lawyers in contr 
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> I’m very afraid of those who are very afraid.
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> Next I’ll told that I must read through 100 page legal agreements be 
> fore going to a web page?
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> From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 19:20
> To: ip
> Subject: [IP] re Ariz. college using RFID for class attendance
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> From: Sam Waltz <samwaltz () gmail com>
> Date: May 4, 2010 7:08:31 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] re Ariz. college using RFID for class attendance
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> From: Dennis Allison <drallison () gmail com>
> Date: May 4, 2010 5:20:49 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Ariz. college using RFID for class attendance
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> Why should he University care whether students attend a lecture or  
> not?  By the time a student reaches the University, they should be  
> responsible for their own schedule and actions.   Seems to me to be  
> a technological solution to a non-problem.
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> Speaking as a teacher, there are times when both schools and  
> employers need to provide documentation that a student has been  
> exposed to certain information (regardless as to whether s/he  
> absorbed it). It is a liability issue. Sometimes we need  
> "proof" (which admittedly does not prove much) that someone has  
> attended sexual harassment seminar, a hazmat training session, etc.  
> If a school is sued for creating/permitting (for example) a sexist  
> environment, it needs to be able to demonstrate that everyone has  
> attended an anti-sexism seminar.
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> Of course, the system is not foolproof ("dishonesty-proof" would be  
> a better term, but it doesn't exist yet). Students could sign each  
> other in on paper attendance sheets; now they can sign each other in  
> electronically. Presumably, schools enforcing honor codes would make  
> it public knowledge that carrying someone else's ID is a violation  
> of the honor code. For that matter, carrying someone's ID and  
> presenting it - even electronically - is illegal, which raises other  
> fun issues.
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> Sam Waltz
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