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re. Fun issue. Most Of Us Have Black Box Recorders in our Cars
From: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:32:24 -0500
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From: Andrew C Burnette <acb () acb net> Date: March 7, 2010 2:53:28 PM EST To: dave () farber net Cc: jpowers () data-rights com Subject: Re: [IP] Most Of Us Have Black Box Recorders in our Cars
Dave, For IP if you wish.US DOT is adding yet more wrinkles to this equation with the VII program, which basically (there are a few decent psuedonymity protections built in; the same system will allow car manufacturers to also sell value add services such as traffic info, telematics data and so on) communicates with roadside equipment and a larger network for a variety of purposes.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_infrastructure_integrationAnother issue that few people are aware of. Should you be involved in a collision in your car, the data in the black box has generally been regarded as your private info. Should you "sell" your car to the insurance company via a total loss settlement, that data can be used for better or worse to determine speed, aggressive driving and other factors which the owner/driver may not wish to divulge.Best regards, Andy Burnette On 03/05/2010 04:56 PM, Dave Farber wrote:Begin forwarded message:*From:* James Powers <jpowers () data-rights com <mailto:jpowers () data-rights com>> *Date:* March 5, 2010 4:46:11 PM EST*To:* <mailto:dave () farber net>dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net >*Subject:* *Most Of Us Have Black Box Recorders in our Cars* Dave, For IP if you wish and thanks for an exquisite resource in IP.[And I hope you and Gigi are doing well (I’m Robert Pepper’s fri end, Idined with you and Gigi at Pep’s house a few years ago)].BMW and many other vehicle makers have had access to this data for years.They just didn’t want your or I to know about it.With OnStar and the other services exploding, I’d wager most new carshave this capability to some degree. The data itself is rarely disclosed which seems only to be whenadvantageous to a car maker or when compelled by an outside authority.The data is pretty rich: In one BMW case, it merged GPS data withvehicle condition info (engine and speed) giving a very vivid pictureof an event. This was then supposedly used to contradict a customer’s claim of normal use.The black box data showed a high rate of speed and at a specific timeand location (and with detailed engine and gear conditions) it suggested abuse of the vehicle.I’ve spoken to a few people at different car makers about this b ut noone wants to touch it.The simple and proper solution is to disclose this technology and getour consent to its constrained and verifiable use. After all, if its use was disclosed, and its laudable applications agreed to, then I think most of us would support this capability. But we can’t do that if we are not told. And until now, it seem to have been something just too sensitive for them to want to speak to. No longer and this should be interesting. Jamie Powers Jamie Powers, Esq. Data Rights & Privacy Advisors, LLC <http://www.data-rights.com>www.data-rights.com <http://www.data-rights.com> (our apologies while under redesign) "Personal Data - The 21st Century Asset" (TM) 11465 Sunset Hills Road Suite 600 Reston, Virginia 20190 Main 703-796-1919 Fax 866-472-4753 NOTICE: This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain confidential and/or privilegedmaterial and please do not review, retransmit, disseminate or use this message or attachment if you are not the intended recipient. If you doreceive this communication in error, we regret the inconvenience and please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachments from your computers. *From:* Dave Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] *Sent:* Friday, March 05, 2010 2:27 PM *To:* ip *Subject:* [IP] Toyota and "black box" data Begin forwarded message: *From:* Abe Singer < <mailto:abe () oyvay nu>abe () oyvay nu <mailto:abe () oyvay nu>> *Date:* March 5, 2010 2:23:23 PM EST *To:* David Farber < <mailto:dave () farber net>dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>> *Subject:* *Toyota and "black box" data* Dr. Farber,The article below may be of interest to IP. The most mind- bogglingpart is that Toyota has only *one* computer in the US capable of reading EDRs, so for any investigation they have to send a person out with that laptop to recover the data.<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_hi_te/us_toyota_black_boxes >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_hi_te/us_toyota_black_boxes"Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review oflawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.The AP investigation found that Toyota has been inconsistent — and sometimes even contradictory — in revealing exactly what the devices record and don't record, including critical data about whether thebrake or accelerator pedals were depressed at the time of a crash. By contrast, most other automakers routinely allow much more open access to information from their event data recorders, commonly known as EDRs." [snip] Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/> <http://www.listbox.com>Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now><https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/> [Powered by Listbox]<http://www.listbox.com>
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