Most Of Us Have Black Box Recorders in our Cars

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

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> From: James Powers <jpowers () data-rights com>
> Date: March 5, 2010 4:46:11 PM EST
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Most Of Us Have Black Box Recorders in our Cars

> Dave,
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> For IP if you wish and thanks for an exquisite resource in IP.
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> [And I hope you and Gigi are doing well (I’m Robert Pepper’s  
> friend, I dined with you and Gigi at Pep’s house a few years ago)].
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> BMW and many other vehicle makers have had access to this data for  
> years.
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> They just didn’t want your or I to know about it.
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> With OnStar and the other services exploding, I’d wager most new car 
> s have this capability to some degree.
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> The data itself is rarely disclosed which seems only to be when  
> advantageous to a car maker or when compelled by an outside authority.
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> The data is pretty rich:  In one BMW case, it merged GPS data with  
> vehicle condition info (engine and speed) giving a very vivid  
> picture of an event.
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> This was then supposedly used to contradict a customer’s claim of no 
> rmal use.
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> The black box data showed a high rate of speed and at a specific  
> time and location (and with detailed engine and gear conditions) it  
> suggested abuse of the vehicle.
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> I’ve spoken to a few people at different car makers about this but n 
> o one wants to touch it.
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> The simple and proper solution is to disclose this technology and  
> get our consent to its constrained and  verifiable use.
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> After all, if its use was disclosed, and its laudable applications  
> agreed to, then I think most of us would support this capability.
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> But we can’t do that if we are not told.
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> And until now, it seem to have been something just too sensitive for  
> them to want to speak to.
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> No longer and this should be interesting.
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> Jamie Powers
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> Jamie Powers, Esq.
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> From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 2:27 PM
> To: ip
> Subject: [IP] Toyota and "black box" data
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Abe Singer <abe () oyvay nu>
> Date: March 5, 2010 2:23:23 PM EST
> To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Toyota and "black box" data
>
> Dr. Farber,
>
> The article below may be of interest to IP.  The most mind-boggling
> part is that Toyota has only *one* computer in the US capable of
> reading EDRs, so for any investigation they have to send a person
> out with that laptop to recover the data.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_hi_te/us_toyota_black_boxes
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> "Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar
> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden
> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of
> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts.
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> The AP investigation found that Toyota has been inconsistent — and
> sometimes even contradictory — in revealing exactly what the devices
> record and don't record, including critical data about whether the  
> brake
> or accelerator pedals were depressed at the time of a crash.
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> By contrast, most other automakers routinely allow much more open  
> access
> to information from their event data recorders, commonly known as  
> EDRs."
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> [snip]
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