Many thabks to Request for input on the definition of Broadband

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Stagg Newman <lsnewmanjr () yahoo com>
Date: September 4, 2009 10:16:15 PM EDT
To: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>, dave () farber net
Subject: Request for input on the definition of Broadband

Dave,

Thanks to all of those on IP who responded to request for input on the  
definition of broadband.   I am digesting all of the input on IP as  
well as many valuable comments that were submitted in the public record.

Comments in the public record can be found by going to
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi
Then insert  09-47 as the proceeding.

The input submitted will keep me busy over the Labor Weekend.  Those  
of us on the National Broadband Plan team are engergized but  
challenged by the mandated schedule.

Bruce's quesiton below is an excellent answer.  Given the Recovery Act  
legislation that enabled this effort, the focus of our effort on the  
deployment team is on where Americans are unserved or underserved in  
terms of broadband access to the Internet.

Stagg Newman
Chief Technologist
National Broadband Plan Team

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:

From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Subject: [IP] Re: Request for input on the definition of Broadband
To: "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:59 PM



Begin forwarded message:

From: Bruce R Koball <bkoball () well com>
Date: September 2, 2009 1:22:32 PM EDT
To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:   Request for input on the definition of Broadband

Dave,

On the premise that there are no stupid questions, I'd like to ask the  
IP collective whether services that are not directly mediated by the  
internet, like digital cable TV, considered part of "broadband"...?

-brk-

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Dave Farber wrote:

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> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
>> Date: September 2, 2009 11:46:39 EDT
>> To: dave () farber net
>> Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>, Stagg Newman <lsnewmanjr () yahoo com>,  
Rob Curtis <robert.curtis () fcc gov>, Tom Brown <thomas.brown () fcc gov>
>> Subject: Re: [IP] Re:  Request for input on the definition of  
Broadband
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>> Here is a concise, precise,  and I believe complete, definition  
that can serve as a good starting point. Readers may note that it is a  
definition that has served the Internet well.  It is 3 sentences long.
>> Broadband is a low-latency and high-datarate access service that  
provides ability to send and receive IP datagrams to hosts on the  
worldwide public Internet, as defined by the full address space  
defined by the IP versions currently  used.  The broadband transport  
may use only the information placed into the IP header/envelope to  
manage delivery, does not use, record, or retain content information  
for any purpose other than law enforcement purposes. The public  
internet is defined as the reachable set of hosts on all autonomous  
systems that have agreed to exchange Internet traffic with one or more  
peer autonomous systems in the public Internet.
>> Comments:  this preserves technological evolvability, since it  
says nothing about the technology underlying the transport, nor does  
it say anything about the applications served.
>> On 09/02/2009 04:55 AM, David Farber wrote:
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: Mary Shaw <mary.shaw () gmail com>
>>> Date: September 1, 2009 6:01:00 PM EDT
>>> To: dave () farber net
>>> Subject: Re: [IP] Request for input on the definition of Broadband
>>> Dave,
>>> Yes, surely "broadband" should be parsed out into bandwidth,  
latency, availability, and so on.
>>> More significantly, though, a useful definition will not be  
stated in terms of specific values for those properties but rather  
will adapt with changing technology and expectations.
>>> I would suggest this intuition for an adaptable definition: that  
a "broadband" connection supports the vast majority of the currently  
popular information resources on the internet with satisfactory  
response time. That is, "currently popular" at the time the definition  
is invoked.  As new applications emerge, they up the ante.
>>> For example, as people are induced to put their information into  
"the cloud", broadband service should make that indistinguishable from  
local storage, which means that fast uploads will be required as well  
as fast downloads.  Any form of offsite storage suffices for this  
point -- I keep the master copies of my files on a university server,  
so I really notice even brief service interruptions, and I need  
symmetrical service rather than the common fast down/slow up service  
because I need fast uploads for things like intermediate file saves.
>>> Mary
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:07 AM, David Farber <dave () farber net>  
wrote:
>>> The other day I had a conversation with a friend at the Federal  
Communications Commission. He asked an interesting question. When  
people talk about broadband they tend to talk about numbers bits per  
second except for.
>>> Something seems wrong with this approach. First it is very  
sensitive to the advancement of technology any number will be obsolete  
in a few years. Second of all, and maybe most important it ignores  
other issues that would make any speed usable in many applications --  
-- like latency chair etc. He asked if there was a "syntax" for  
broadband -- -- that is a deeper way of characterizing when a system  
supports broadband and when it does not.
>>> I offer to the IP community a chance to take a crack at this  
interesting and potentially profitable challenge.
>>> Dave
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