really really geeky issue --$12 million !!!! -- really total $61 M and BTW

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: "Richard Shockey" <richard () shockey us>
Date: July 2, 2009 9:11:02 PM EDT
To: <dave () farber net>, "'ip'" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: RE: [IP] $12 million !!!!   -- really total $61 M and BTW


Now to end this particular thread ..if ICANN would be so kind as to help
fund the IETF, from which all IP blessings ultimately flow,  maybe we
wouldn't have this discussion.

Oh and BTW if ICANN could please return to the IETF/IAB control of the  
IANA
protocol parameter registry while they are at it many of us would be  
most
grateful.

This is actually a huge issue in the current discussions with the DOC,  
ICANN
and the IAB now that the contract between the DoC and ICANN is due to  
expire
in Sept.

The protocol parameter registry

http://www.iana.org/protocols/

was a legacy from the Jon Postel era that was never meant to be  
controlled
by ICANN. Protocols and their definition are a singular function of the
IETF. Though ICANN controls that registry, what goes into it currently  
under
IETF control. There is a huge fear in the IETF engineering community  
that as
ICANN morphs into, god knows what, the control of that registry could  
fall
into nefarious hands, namely that other "standards bodies" could write  
into
that registry thus invalidating its unique function under IETF  
oversight.

It sounds like a really really geeky issue but its importance to the  
proper
functioning of the Internet cannot be emphasized enough.


> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden () gmail com>
> Date: July 2, 2009 6:12:16 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden () gmail com>, Richard Shockey
> <richard () shockey us
> >
> Subject: Re: [IP] $12 million !!!!   -- really total $61 M
>
> Dave,
>
> For IP, if you wish.
>
> What Richard said is correct.  Speaking as the IETF Administrative
> Oversight Committee (IAOC) chair, the IETF annual budget runs about
> $5M year, with attendance fees and sponsorships paying for about 2/3
> of that and the ISOC paying for the remainder.  Lots of detail at:
>
>   http://iaoc.ietf.org/budget.html
>
> It would appear that ICANN spends more than 2x on travel per year than
> the total cost to run the IETF.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2009, at 2:16 PM, David Farber wrote:
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: "Richard Shockey" <richard () shockey us>
> > Date: July 2, 2009 3:20:34 PM EDT
> > To: <dave () farber net>
> > Subject: RE: [IP] Re:   $12 million !!!!
> >
> >
> > Well as a long time IETF participant WG chair etc I take
> considerable
> > offence to that note.
> >
> > All of us pay our own expenses to IETF meetings and the secretariat
> is
> > principally funded by the attendance fees with considerable help
> > from ISOC.
> >
> > The current ICANN budget for 09 is nearly 61 Million total which is
> > nearly
> > unbelievable to some of us since ICANN essentially does nothing but
> > act as a
> > taxation authority for GTLD's.
> >
> > To even suggest that ICANN is the 'governing body of the Internet"
> > is nearly
> > laughable on its face since it operates only on voluntary compliance
> > with a
> > series RFC, nothing more.
> >
> > Google and now BING have ended the argument once and for all on the
> > utility
> > of more GTLD's but what the heck if you want 10,000 or so it won't
> > make any
> > difference that is a proven engineering fact.. open up the 3 letter
> > ISO 3166
> > codes to Nation States if folks really think there is a problem.
> >
> > Of course that ICANN does not do very much is fine with the real
> > Internet
> > Engineering community since the last thing the Internet needs is a
> > regulator.
> >
> > However as a newly unemployed IP engineer there may be some utility
> to
> > sticking my head in the ICANN consultant troth from time to time.
> >
> > > From: Richard Perlman <rdp () yikes com>
> > > Date: July 2, 2009 10:09:13 AM EDT
> > > To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] $12 million !!!!
> > >
> > > For IP if you wish...
> > >
> > > I think Marshal Rose's MFLD* comment (I believe re: the IETF) might
> > > apply
> > > here as well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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