re TSA overreaction to Delta incident

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com>
> Date: December 26, 2009 2:20:44 PM EST
> To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] re TSA overreaction to Delta incident

> Dave,
>
> For what it's worth, I'm often quoted as the original author of the
> "chain naked passengers to their seats" line.  I see I used it right
> here in IP over five years ago during another spasm of TSA security
> escalation:
>
> http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200505/msg00278.html
>
> As for Wendy's seemingly reasonable idea about making more fire
> extinguishers available ... well, now, after all, fire extinguishers
> can also be used as *weapons* ... right?  Can't take that risk, eh?
>
> Rumor is this guy may have been hiding his incendiary in his clothing.
> Better pray it wasn't in his underwear, given how TSA reacted to the
> "wannabe shoe bomber" case.
>
> Of couse, what TSA really wants to do is eventually force everyone
> into full body millimeter or "soft x-ray" scanners. Just a "little"
> more radiation.  Nothing to worry about.
>
> --Lauren--
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>
> On 12/26 14:01, Dave Farber wrote:
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: "Wendy M. Grossman" <wendyg () pelicancrossing net>
> > > Date: December 26, 2009 1:49:46 PM EST
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] TSA overreaction to Delta incident
> >
> > > (For IP if you like)
> > >
> > > Given that the biggest hazard posed by yesterday's attacker seems to
> > > have been the flames, wouldn't the most logical response be to make
> > > fire extinguishers more readily accessible throughout the cabin?
> > >
> > > wg
> > >
> > > Dave Farber wrote:
> > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > > > *From:* Kris Gabor <kgabor () aol com <mailto:kgabor () aol com>>
> > > > > *Date:* December 26, 2009 1:21:16 PM EST
> > > > > *To:* <mailto:dave () farber net>dave () farber net
> > > > > <mailto:dave () farber net>
> > > > > *Subject:* *TSA overreaction to Delta incident*
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Dave,
> > > > >
> > > > > For IP, if you think it's appropriate. If the following is true,
> > > > > this is another good example of kneejerk overreaction after a
> > > > > security incident. There used to be a rule that passengers bound
> > > > > for DCA had to remain seated during the last 30 minutes of flight,
> > > > > but even that was scrapped after a few years. Good luck telling
> > > > > passengers they can't use their laptops or read a book for the
> > > > > last hour of a flight. As someone had suggested in the wake of
> > > > > 9/11, maybe the best thing would be to strip all the passengers
> > > > > naked and chain them into their seats for the entire flight.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's interesting how Air Canada has already posted this, but there
> > > > > is no official announcement of it yet from TSA. I wonder if after
> > > > > the initial kneejerk, pragmatism may yet win out.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27plane.html
> > > > >
> > > > > "Although transportation officials had not announced new security
> > > > > measures yet, Air Canada said the Transportation Security Agency
> > > > > would make significant changes to the way passengers are able to
> > > > > move about on aircraft. During the final hour of flight, customers
> > > > > will have to remain seated, will not be allowed access to carry-on
> > > > > baggage and cannot have personal belongings or other items on
> > > > > their laps, according to a notice
> > > > > <http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/trav_adv/091226.html> on Air
> > > > > Canada’s Web site.
> > > > >
> > > > > In effect, that means passengers on flights of about 90 minutes or
> > > > > less will not be able to get out of their seats, since they are
> > > > > not allowed to move about while an airplane is climbing to its
> > > > > cruising altitude.
> > > > >
> > > > > Air Canada also told its United States bound customers that they
> > > > > would be limited to a single carry-on item and that they would be
> > > > > subjected to personal and baggage searches at security check
> > > > > points and in the gate area. It said this would result in
> > > > > significant delays, canceled flights and missed connections. Air
> > > > > Canada said it would waive the baggage fee for the first checked
> > > > > bag as a result of the new policy."
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