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worth reading -- Canadian model gets Google to reveal blogger's identity
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:02:35 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: "Paul Levy" <plevy () citizen org> Date: August 20, 2009 12:49:23 PM EDT To: "David Farber" <dave () farber net>, "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com>Subject: Re: [IP] Canadian model gets Google to reveal blogger's identity
This story is based on the winning lawyer's overstatement of the significance of his decision. According to the decision, New York law requires the same thing that most courts have said is required under the First Amendment -- notice to the Doe and a showing of a meritorious claim, including not only a legally valid claim but "evidentiary facts" supporting those claims. In this case, it appears that the legal debate was not over whether Ms. Cohen was, literally, a "ho" or "skank" -- the affidavit from Ms. Cohen that submitted in support of the subpoena to Google averred that she was not, and the Doe defendant did not make an issue of whether there was an adequate showing of falsity with respect to those matters -- but whether the blogger's posting of pictures, apparently taken in part from Cohen's own web pages, and then commenting using such words as "ho" and "skank", represented actionable statements of fact or nonactionable expressions of opinion. The consensus standard does not mean, and should not mean, that the Doe always wins. I think one can fairly differ about whether the New York trial judge correctly applied the New York decisions construing the law under the First Amendment (and New York’s own constitution) that differentiate opinion from fact. Presumably, that is one of the matters that the Doe's lawyers are going to be considering as they decide whether or not to take an appeal. But the decision is not generally at odds with the prevailing view in all states (including New York, in such cases as Greenbaum v Google) that a would be plaintiff like Ms. Cohen has to ensure notice to the Doe and make a leghal and factual showing of a tenable claim. It is a bit disturbing that Ms. Cohen is quoted publicly suggesting that she may not really care to go after the blogger who posted this nasty stuff, while her lawyers is quoted as saying he intends to pursue a defamation suit. Is this case only the product of her lawyer's desire to litigate? One of the things that we worry about in trying to craft a sufficiently balanced standard is the abuse of subpoenas for the mere purpose of unmasking, rather than to pursue a genuine defamation claim. In light of the quotations in this article, perhaps it remains to be seen what this proceeding was really about. Readers can judge all this for themselves by reading the New York court's decision, Ms. Cohen's complaint and supporting affidavits, and the Doe's brief, which can all be found on the Cyberslapp web site at http://www.cyberslapp.org/cases/page.cfm?PageID=92 Paul Alan Levy Public Citizen Litigation Group 1600 - 20th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20009 (202) 588-1000 http://www.citizen.org/litigation
David Farber <dave () farber net> 8/20/2009 12:21 PM >>>
Begin forwarded message: From: michael.slavitch () gmail com Date: August 20, 2009 11:16:27 AM EDT To: "David Farber" <dave () farber net> Subject: Canadian model gets Google to reveal blogger's identity Reply-To: michael.slavitch () gmail com For IP: Anonymity isn't what people think it is. http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/canadian-model-gets-google-tounmaskanastyblogger/article1257768/?service=mobile Michael Slavitch ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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