Re: Be afraid, be very afraid Health Info

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: DV Henkel-Wallace <gumby () henkel-wallace org>
Date: April 5, 2009 7:57:13 PM EDT
To: Charles Pinneo <pinneo () sbcglobal net>
Cc: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:     Be afraid, be very afraid Health Info

On the HLI, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

More generally I don't understand the rush to electronic health  
records, of all things.  There are some serious technical and  
institutional problems to be addressed (I'm not talking about privacy  
or other t social issues) and until they have been I don't see the  
point and in fact consider the shift quite risky.


-d


On 5 Apr, 2009, at 15:22 , Charles Pinneo wrote:

> DV,
>
> Did you look up the Heartland Institute? It's a hard right  
> organization. They don't even believe in evolution. Back to 1850 for  
> science. They support big tobacco. They are against taxes. Is that  
> enough for you?
>
> Charles Pinneo
> pinneo () sbcglobal net
> On Apr 5, 2009, at 8:13 AM, David Farber wrote:
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: DV Henkel-Wallace <gumby () henkel-wallace org>
> > Date: April 5, 2009 1:04:49 AM EDT
> > To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, Steve Lamont <spl () ncmir ucsd edu>
> > Subject: Re: [IP] Re:   Be afraid, be very afraid Health Info
> >
> > I have HIPPA training (though there are varying levels of "trained"  
> > and mine is at the bottom, or simplest).  Although the heartland  
> > institute's prognosis was over the top it was not as far off the  
> > likely mark as one might like to think.
> >
> > First of all it does seem like most people I was exposed to were  
> > pretty serious about the privacy issue.  But the fines, as noted,  
> > aren't really large by prosecutorial standards and there are  
> > prohibited behaviors which have no punishment at all.  I.e. don't  
> > do this but if caught don't worry about it.  Examples appeared on  
> > the IP list when HIPPA was first proposed.
> >
> > Second of all we've all seen the kind of database scope creep that  
> > comes with systems not designed with privacy in from the get go.   
> > Cell tower and toll data is now routinely used in criminal and  
> > civil cases.  CC records too.  Why not health data?  You can be  
> > sure it will happen.
> >
> > And the risk of catastrophic (to the victims) loss due to data  
> > being hoisted by a malicious group of employees is high but largely  
> > ignored in system design and in legislation.
> >
> > In short: _don't_ turn the page in this case.  (however I agree  
> > with your attitude to the H.I. in most cases).
> >
> > -d
> >
> > > From: Steve Lamont <spl () ncmir ucsd edu>
> > > Date: April 4, 2009 9:47:06 AM EDT
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] Be afraid, be very afraid Health Info
> > >
> > > > April 2, 2009 (Network World) Maureen Martin of The Heartland
> > > > Institute, a think tank promoting public policy based on individual
> > > > liberty, limited government and free markets, argues that the new
> > > > Health Information Technology for Economic and Clinical Health  
> > > > (HITECH)
> > > > Act exposes too much personal information.
> > >
> > > Heartland Institute is also very much in the forefront of the  
> > > climate
> > > change (aka global warming) denial movement, and is funded by  
> > > numerous
> > > extremely conservative foundations, such as the Scaife Foundations,
> > > which also funded the highly corrosive "Arkansas Project" durning  
> > > the
> > > Clinton administration, the John M Olin Foundation, and Walton  
> > > Family
> > > Foundation.  It was funded by ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2005,
> > > according to Source Watch.
> > >
> > > http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute
> > >
> > > When Heartland speaks, I generally turn the page.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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