Re: American Airlines to Filter Pornography

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Willthey stop me from watching a stored dvd with a PG13 or better yet  
MA rating? Will they try to sop me from watching Marjoe (I am sure  
this would insult many a religious person? Where do we stop?



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From: "Michael Kende" <Michael.Kende () analysysmason com>
Date: October 8, 2008 1:22:10 PM EDT
To: <dave () farber net>
Cc: <lauren () vortex com>
Subject: RE: [IP] Re:   American Airlines to Filter Pornography

Taking a slightly different tack on this, what if the content is not off
the Internet?  Given the nature of seating, which is for better or worse
one of the few times in today's society that strangers come into such
close contact with one another with no say in the matter, does an
airline have the right to stop somoene from watching a pornographic
video on their DVD, or from looking at Hustler?  Can parents assume that
their children will not be subject to having to see this material in the
next seat?  If so, why is it different if it is on the Internet?  In
other words, are they trying to make smokers healthier or block second
hand smoke.  If the latter, there are obviously better ways than with
filters or bans, but is the principle really a bad one?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:44 PM
To: ip
Subject: [IP] Re: American Airlines to Filter Pornography



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From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com>
Date: October 8, 2008 12:23:27 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: lauren () vortex com
Subject: Re: [IP] American Airlines to Filter Pornography


Dave,

How is American Airlines defining pornography again?  Topless photos?
Fully naked photos?  Nasty textual descriptions?  Can passengers browse
to the Playboy Web site, or the illustrated sexually-transmitted
diseases prevention section of a health site?
Does this prohibition only apply to "porn" -- or are non-sexual "violent
and disgusting" images sites also forbidden?

Seriously, will passengers be able to access Google Images or Flickr?
YouTube?  There's no telling what sorts of goodies will pop up on those
that *someone* snooping at your laptop might find upsetting!  We can't
have anyone upset regarding what *you're* looking at now can we?

Of course we know what AA will likely do.  They'll presumably use one of
the commercial filtering services that employ arbitrary block lists and
can usually be trivially bypassed via simple proxies and other means.

And like most other Internet censors, AA will probably keep adding to
the prohibited list over time, in a desperate but hopeless attempt at
information control for ostensibly noble aims.

If AA put more effort into treating their passengers as at least a
higher class of cattle instead of playing Internet sex cop, we'd all be
better off.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
  - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, NNSquad
  - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org Founder, PRIVACY
Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and
Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com

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> From: Robert Atkinson <rca53 () columbia edu>
> Date: October 8, 2008 10:55:00 AM EDT
> To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: American Airlines to Filter Pornography
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> Dave,
>
> To update the earlier discussion of this topic, according to an
> AP=20=20 story in today=92s New York Times, American Airlines
> announced yesterday=20= =20 that it =93would filter an in-flight
> Internet service to block=20=20 pornography sites after complaints
> from flight attendants and=20=20
> passengers.=94 However, the article also noted that =93American...said

> it= =20=20 had not received reports that passengers were viewing
> =91inappropriate=20= =20
> content=92 on the Gogo in-flight service but said filtering was
> =91an=20=20 appropriate measure to take.=92  So, apparently a
> pre-emptive action=20=20 rather than one based on actual use.
>
> What=92s the expectation on when a complaint will be filed at the
> FCC=20=20 alleging that AA=92s action violates the Commission=92s
> Broadband=20=20 Principles?
>
> Bob
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> Internet se=
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> attendants an=
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