Re: read both Google Phone "NORMAL" Data Users May be Throttled

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bob Frankston <bob.frankston () gmail com>
Date: October 4, 2008 2:19:13 PM EDT
To: <dave () farber net>, "'ip'" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Cc: "'Joel M Snyder'" <Joel.Snyder () Opus1 COM>, "Lauren Weinstein" <lauren () vortex com 
>
Subject: RE: [IP] Re:     Google Phone "NORMAL" Data Users May be  
Throttled

A primary use of my 3G phone is to connect my computer to the world.  
This is
a big selling point. 1GB for that application is not very much at all.

Another use is to watch video relayed via SlingBox or some other source.

This is why is it so very very important not to accept limitations  
because
of one's failure of imagination. At least in this case I don't have to  
try
too hard to find reasonable users.

Remember also that even if it is .1% that .1% is where the future value
comes from so prevent it at your peril. And worry very much that with  
money
tight not just the leading .1% but the leading 10% will be starved and  
we'll
deny ourselves escape from Malthusian scarcity.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:28
To: ip
Subject: [IP] Re: Google Phone "Heavy" Data Users May be Throttled



Begin forwarded message:

From: Joel M Snyder <Joel.Snyder () Opus1 COM>
Date: October 4, 2008 11:33:33 AM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:   Google Phone "Heavy" Data Users May be Throttled

Well, everyone's use of their iPhone is personal to them, but I find
it hard to imagine how one would use 1Gb of data on the thing.  My
usage has ranged from 40Mb/month to 85Mb/month and I consider myself a
very heavy user when traveling, which I do all the time.  I suppose I
could non-stop stream videos even when I'm not watching them, but the
combination of mediocre battery life in the iPhone and a limit on how
much data I can consume through its small display seems to make 1Gb a
limit that I would have a difficult time reaching.

As with the cable modem 'caps' being discussed, this sounds like one
of those 1/100th of 1% issues.  Since I'd rather NOT be subsidizing
Shapiro's usage, I cannot object to me paying $30 for my up-to-1Gb of
data and having him pay more.  (Note: I'm just saying "Shapiro" here
as an example; I don't know him other than "a guy who wrote into IP
complaining about the 1Gb throttle.")

Yes, we have been promised unlimited usage and no time limits on our
Internet since the hyper-competitive dial-in market was created, but
it is clear to anyone who studies the industry that there is a
marginal cost for bandwidth. Anyone who doubts that is welcome to
examine the invoices from our upstream ISP.

Arguments I've heard regarding cable modem usage about congestion
being the real issue are accurate.  It's actually not congestion; it's
peak usage, whether that causes congestion or not, because somewhere
it's all being aggregated up where congestion does occur; but the
argument is approximately close enough to reality that I can agree
with it.

HOWEVER, iPhone usage does tend to require a person sitting in front
of the phone for any significant bandwidth usage.   Would it be even
MORE fair to have a special "Insomniac's Data Plan" to cover that 1%
of the 1/100 of 1% of high bandwidth users who use up their bits when
no one else is awake?  Yes, probably, but it would be cheaper for
those 9 people to rant and rave about how unfair it is than to have 9
million iPhone users [I made this number up] pay the price for time-
based bandwidth accounting.

jms


David Farber wrote:
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Jonathan S. Shapiro" <shap () eros-os com>
> Date: October 3, 2008 11:27:53 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
> Subject: Re: [IP] Google Phone "Heavy" Data Users May be Throttled
> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 03:10 -0400, David Farber wrote:
> > "If your total data usage in any billing cycle is more than 1GB,
> >  your data throughput for the remainder of that cycle may be reduced
> >  to 50 kbps or less.
> This is particularly irritating to those of us T-mobile customers who
> are *already* on unlimited GPRS data plans, and are being forced to a
> more expensive and more limited plan when we switch to the new
> handset;
> even though we don't live or work anywhere that 3G services are
> offered.
> So if this is enforced my service is simply getting worse and more
> expensive...
> shap
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