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Re: the undead urban myth of the LOC/EID split
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:16:57 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Dan Lynch <dan () lynch com> Date: October 30, 2008 9:02:38 PM EDT To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>, "Mike O'Dell" <mo () ccr org> Subject: Re: [IP] the undead urban myth of the LOC/EID splitOk, Mike, I ordered the book. It better unlock the mysteries of life for me! What I fear is that ANY reimplementation of addressing will be hijacked by the 'carriers'. Heck, it is in their interest to glean as much revenue
out of their investments. Unless we the people figure out how tore-regulate their bit pipe assets. Oh, we think we try to do that, but our lovely graft stricken political system makes it impossible to do that and make it stick for even a few years. In the coming years of financial crush
we may be able to find the political will to regulate the pipes. Isincerely hope so. I have no problem with all the value add services that
anyone wants to add on top and charge whatever the market will bear, butusing the pipe ownership (which because of its "rights of way" being owned
by all citizens) as their monopoly club is just dead wrong for the citizenry. The Telecom Act of 1996 was supposed to separate out all thepipes from the services, but Congress and its creations backpedaled on that
as we all know. Time to try again? Meanwhile I will read John Daly's book on the true joys of NAT! On 10/29/08 11:54 PM, "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: mo () ccr org (Mike O'Dell) Date: October 29, 2008 8:28:25 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: the undead urban myth of the LOC/EID split Dave, an indulgence if you would. there is a persistent urban myth (which gets repeated here with some frequency) which states that splitting "network addresses" into location-dependent and location-independent components is the secret to life, the universe, and everything. i know that myth quite well because once upon a time i subscribed to it and made a serious proposal to do just that with IPv6. But if you want to find out why the myth is wrong and what it takes to have it work right from first principles, you're going to have to read a book that will likely take some work: "Patterns in Network Architecture: A Return to Fundamentals" by John Day It contains more than a few deeply profound insights. Among other things, you'll discover why "global addresses" are an abberation, and that "NAT" is an absolutely natural technique to use in structure networks - it's just the introduction of an arbitrary abstraction encapusulation. In fact, the ugliness of "NAT" is directly related to how, uh, "unfortunate" the underlying architecture really is. this is indeed a shameless plug for John's remarkable book. if you really want to know what a clean, deeply elegant network architecture based on solid fundamentals can look like, read his book. cheers, -mo Full and Fair Disclosure: I reviewed the text along the way as a work in progress. ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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