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ISP Wiretapping: FCC, FTC, and Congress Need to Act Now!


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:01:43 -0400




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From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
Date: May 13, 2008 3:53:08 PM EDT
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: Re: [IP] ISP Wiretapping: FCC, FTC, and Congress Need to Act Now!


Lauren really needs to calm down here.

After all, ISPs have property rights and property, coming first in the
Constitution, trumps everything else  (the American declaration of
independence was supposed to say "life, liberty, and property" according to Cato Institute and others who claim property and wealth trumps those
pesky things that Tom Paine called "The Rights of Man").

It would be an "unlawful taking" by the government to bar infrastructure
owners from spying on their users' every action.  Unless the FCC, FTC,
and Congress are willing to pay billions of dollars to the ISPs per day
for lost maximizable  " ad targeting revenue" caused by regulation, it
would really be unfair to prevent them from raping and pillaging packets
that flow over their wires.

Just as TV executives were right to say that their viewers should not be
able to skip ads or go to the bathroom during ads, ISPs should not be
forced to let users avoid targeting - in fact, it's a positive social
good to let ISPs profit from spying, so that more poor people can get
ISP services.

Hmm.. the same logic should apply to any regulations against gun
ownership by criminals.  After all, barring owners from concealing
pistols under their coats limits the opportunity to rob grocery stores
and murder for hire.   This is a really serious "taking", too.

As some of our rural WISP friends tell us, and a brilliant co- creator of
twisted pair wiring tells us, ISPs deserve everything they can extract
from their users.   After all, it's their wires!

Free the ISPs!   Don't tread on them!

David Farber wrote:



Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com <mailto:lauren () vortex com >>
*Date:* May 13, 2008 1:05:39 PM EDT
*To:* David Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
*Cc:* "lauren () vortex com <mailto:lauren () vortex com>"
<lauren () vortex com <mailto:lauren () vortex com>>
*Subject:* *ISP Wiretapping: FCC, FTC, and Congress Need to Act Now!*



        ISP Wiretapping: FCC, FTC, and Congress Need to Act Now!

              http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000383.html


Greetings.  Charter Communications has now announced
( http://tinyurl.com/4ggphq ) that they intend to "wiretap" (that's
the only appropriate term I can think of) subscribers' Internet
Communications, and use the search data obtained in this manner to
inject Charter's own targeted advertising into user data streams.

I believe that the "wait and see" timeout period on these abuses of
DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) technology has now expired, and we now
need to look to the FCC, FTC, and Congress for immediate actions to
protect ISP subscribers' privacy rights, and both the privacy and
business rights of the Internet services with whom those users
communicate.

Charter's plans seem very much in line with both the Rogers Cable
data insertion system ( "Google Hijacked -- Major ISP to Intercept
and Modify Web Pages" -- http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000337.html )
and the UK "Phorm" system ( "UK ISPs to Spy on Google Users (and
Others)" --
http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000375.html ), both of which I've
discussed previously at some length.

As I've noted, the use of content monitoring systems by ISPs on
other than a purely opt-in basis is nothing short of wiretapping (in
a practical sense that we all can understand, legal loopholes
notwithstanding).  It is monitoring of communications between users
and Internet services, and all of the touted anonymization claims
and awkward opt-out cookies don't amount to a hill of beans.

This class of threats to privacy and business interests may have
been "merely" theoretical before, but now is concrete and real.

Users can in some cases take their own protective steps by
encrypting their communications whenever possible ( "Toward Pervasive
Internet Encryption: Unshackling the Self-Signed Certificate" --
http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000339.html ).

But now is the time for our legislators and regulators to earn their
salaries, and make it clear that ISPs are supposed to be carriers of
communications, not spying on, tracking, and modifying subscriber
communications for their own gains.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren () vortex com <mailto:lauren () vortex com> or lauren () pfir org
<mailto:lauren () pfir org>
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
 - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, NNSquad
 - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org
Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com

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