Re: Clarification -- Re: Re: Repression in Austria over PGP keys

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Steven J. Manning [sjmanning () fymc com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:29 PM
To: Richard Forno
Cc: David Farber
Subject: Re: Clarification -- Re: [IP] Re:   Repression in Austria over PGP keys

Hello Dave.  For IP if you wish.

And Richard.

Indeed.  If Richard did not pen the referenced article, he should not be chided for it.  Not for the article.

Re-reading his initial note, the third time - this time at his suggestion, I am trying to find where he offered any 
critical or evaluatory  statements on the story.  By "anonymous."  My very strong reaction to the content of Richard's 
post was his focus on the "PGP" aspect of the story.  In context of all matters of social and political conscience, 
that may not be the most relevant, albeit of interest.  Witness legislature passed in the U.S. just yesterday.

As to homework, Richard might have evaluated the information prior to deign it of interest and worthy of reading by 
your constituency, Dave.  Also as to homework, I ignored the original authorship, since the tone of the post was that 
of a report.

The underlaying matters of importance in the story remain.  Your, Richard's, and my tangential acrimony here is really 
that.  Minor.  And nearly Shakespearean:  Much Ado About "Little".  I will do my own penance, notwithstanding.

I much prefer corresponding and sparring, if really necessary, with the righteous Richard.  "Anonymous" is not somebody 
I would  spend time on.

Steve.


Richard Forno wrote:

Dave,

A clarification to you and your readers is called for regarding Steven Manning's comment about an item I posted to the 
IP list yesterday.  Steven apparently does not realize that I did NOT write the article --- I made no judgment call 
about the content of the article, but merely passed it along to IP as a possible item of interest to your readers.

I resent the accusation by Steven that those are my words.  As you and others know, were I to pen an article, it would 
be published under my own name and posted on my own website -- and not through the veneer of bloggish anonymity.  If he 
has problems with the article's content, may I suggest he contact 'Anonymous' on the site cited in the article link to 
voice his concerns and not blame the messenger.   Indeed, as Steven says, homework is indispensable.

Thanks for making this known to your readers,

Rick


On Jul 10, 2008, at 13:17 , David Farber wrote:


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From: Steven J. Manning [sjmanning () fymc com<mailto:sjmanning () fymc com>]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:54 AM
To: David Farber
Subject: Re: [IP] Repression in Austria over PGP keys

Homework is indispensable....

Good morning, Dave.

For IP if you wish....

Richard Forno's article is interesting more for its insufficiencies than substance.  And for its uniquely limited focus.

First, Mr. Forno focuses on the "PGP" component of the matter.  Perhaps that is the relevancy that can tie the story to 
your uniquely well informed and positioned readers.  This reader, at least, would benefit from a bit of homework on 
this event.  What activities were the alleged wrongdoers engaged in to provoke such regulatory action.  Or 
over-reaction.

On the ubiquitous *other side*, as to "action" by Austrian law enforcement, and this may or may not be germane to Mr. 
Forno's thesis, Austrian laws provide a plethora of draconian enforcement powers for its various law enforcement 
agencies.  And do so for a variety of "criminal enterprises".

The methodology is more that a bit schizophrenic.  On one hand, Austria has and continues to tolerate remnants of its 
remarkably bloody WWII past.  On the other, it is highly unwise for its neo-nazzi, skin-head youth to hold a rally 
without a proper license.  Their riot police do not use rubber bullets.

Perhaps Mr. Forno can enlighten us about the activities of this group that elicited this rather typical law enforcement 
response.  Then we can all be indignant for all the right reasons, including rights to privacy, presumption of 
innocence and all that.

Please know that I write this with a very large measure of bias.  AGAINST THE AUSTRIAN GOVERNMENT.  I am an offspring 
of holocaust survivors and my business activities have taken me to Austria numerous times in the past two decades.  In 
modern parlance, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.  And hated it.

Thank you, Dave.

Steve.


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