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Re: US drafting plan to allow government access to any email or Web search


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:55:14 -0800


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From: jsq () quarterman com [jsq () quarterman com] On Behalf Of John S. Quarterman [jsq () quarterman org]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:42 PM
To: Andrew Burnette
Cc: quarterman.org () quarterman com; David Farber
Subject: Re: [IP] US drafting plan to allow government access to any email or Web search

Dave, for IP:

Much like the mis-linkage of Iraq and Terrorism, we need to stop and
hold accountable the management layer editors who conveniently glue
together innuendo to  forward an agenda we now know to be in place and
enabled by false assumptions.

This is also why it's not safe to believe the present administration
will do anything useful with SCADA.  No matter how competent and
honorable the lower level people who are producing the information,
they're not the ones who will decide what gets done about it.
The deciders will be political appointees implementing a political
ideology and agenda, far more so than in any previous U.S. administration.

Who would honestly trust those fellows now?

-jsq

Dave, John, see comments below:

David Farber wrote:
________________________________________
From: John S. Quarterman [jsq () quarterman org]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:17 AM
To: David Farber
Cc: John S. Quarterman; ip
Subject: Re: [IP] US drafting plan to allow government access to any email
or Web search

Dave, for IP:

The New Yorker article is available in HTML now:

 http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01/21/080121fa_fact_wright

Why does the author continue to spew the false information that the
intelligence community blew the WMD issue in Iraq?  At that time, I was
walking the halls at several involved agencies, and can say that I am in
agreement with publicly known and published information, there was no
consensus that Iraq was in fact holding or manufacturing any WMD's.
There was agreement that the Iragi administration enjoyed the game of
cat and mouse (also in order to obfuscate regional military realities or
vulnerabilities). At the same time, via the inspection process,
frustrating as it may have been we also effectively blunted any benefit
to them should they actually pursue the production or use of WMDs.

One of the most difficult byproducts was Colin Powell decimating his own
credibility before the UN. How sad to see such a distinguished career
dishonored that way when he could have offered so much more. Who would
honestly trust the fellow now?

Much like the mis-linkage of Iraq and Terrorism, we need to stop and
hold accountable the management layer editors who conveniently glue
together innuendo to  forward an agenda we now know to be in place and
enabled by false assumptions.

Best regards,
Andy Burnette

Bruce Schneier has nailed the "security vs. privacy" canard that
McConnell promotes:

 "The debate isn't security versus privacy. It's liberty versus control."

 http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/01/
securitymatters_0124?currentPage=all&

And while people may think that AT&T should worry about losing liability
protection if it filters all traffic, if McConnell's plan goes through
AT&T and other telcos and cablecos will be able to wrap themselves in
the flag while they're doing it:

 http://riskman.typepad.com/peerflow/2008/01/policing-cybers.html

-jsq


From: Rich Kulawiec [rsk () gsp org]
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:41 PM
To: Fergie; David Farber; Richard Forno; Lauren Weinstein
Subject: US drafting plan to allow government access to any email or Web s
ear
ch

Quoting from:

        http://rawstory.com/news/2007/US_drafting_plan_to_allow_government
_01
14.html

        National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell is drawing up
        plans for cyberspace spying that would make the current debate
        on warrantless wiretaps look like a "walk in the park," according
        to an interview published in the New Yorker's print edition today.

        Debate on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act "will be a
        walk in the park compared to this," McConnell said. "this is going
        to be a goat rope on the Hill. My prediction is that we're going
        to screw around with this until something horrendous happens."

        The article, which profiles the 65-year-old former admiral
        appointed by President George W. Bush in January 2007 to oversee
        all of America's intelligence agencies, was not published on
        the New Yorker's Web site. (It can be read here in pdf).

        [...]

The PDF link points to:

        http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WashWire.pdf

which I'm unable to access at the moment.

---Rsk

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