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Re: Credit Default Swaps
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:08:02 -0700
________________________________________ From: hal () halstucker com [hal () halstucker com] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:57 PM To: David Farber Subject: Re: [IP] Credit Default Swaps Dear Prof. Farber: An interesting instrument indeed. It's not very clear how much exposure JPMorgan would have had directly to a Bear Stearns bankruptcy, as JPMorgan was, I believe, also writing its own CDS. It seems more a matter of how much a Bear Stearns meltdown would have affected the market overall. My understanding is that Bear had a portfolio of approximately USD 30bn in credit default swaps, both as a buyer and seller of these instruments, meaning they would have either owed premiums to a seller if they were buyers of the CDS contract, or would be liable for payout in case of a default, if they were the sellers. The Fed apparently stepped in because it feared the repercussions of a $30 billion blowout on the overall market and promised to backstop any losses a buyer of Bear Stearns might incur up to the $30 billion. I work as an editor for a subsidiary of the Financial Times and one of our reporters had a source tell her that, while JPMorgan's party line was that they were only offering $2 per share because they had no time to do proper due diligence, the real reason for the low, low share price they offerd was the CDS time bomb in Bear's portfolio. While this is scary enough, what is truly frightening is the way these instruments have been traded with virtually no oversight over the last decade. Warren Buffet, God love him, quite famously called credit derivatives "financial weapons of mass destruction." CDS seems to have been bought and sold by individuals who had very little understanding of what they were buying and how they worked and, well, we're now seeing the results. They were essentially designed as a kind of insurance policy that could be purchased to cover bond risk, i.e., I buy $50m in bonds and I also buy a CDS contract that will pay me the face value if my bonds default. Sounds simple enough, right? Because these instruments are unregulated, however, they've become beloved of speculators betting for or against a company's creditworthiness. Wikipedia has a very good page on CDS, which provides an excellent overview of the both the workings and the insane complexity of these things. The page points out that the amount of CDS written on a bond issue may eventually dwarf the actual value of the bonds. So if a $1bn bond issue defaults, with creditors ultimately perhaps receiving $.40 on the dollar in a settlement, there may be $10bn worth of CDS outstanding, which means someone is on the hook for $6bn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_default_swap Sounding a bit like the savings and loan meltdown of the late 1980s? There are a lot of similarities - where S&Ls were freed by the Garn St. Germain act to invest in all kinds of risky deals the S&L bankers didn't understand, here bankers at commercial and investment banks, trying to compete with the returns investors were getting (or thought they were getting) from hedge funds, apparently turned to all sorts of risky deals they only kinda, sorta understood. And there are more flavors of derivatives out there than anyone can keep track of. Ever hear of liquidity puts? According to the New York Times, neither had Robert Rubin, former Treasury Secretary and now a senior executive at Citigroup. Comforting, isn't it? Part of the market woes we're now experiencing seem to come as much from sheer panic as from any actual losses, though those have been substantial. The subtext of much of this seems to be, "Okay, we drank the subprime Koolaid, and maybe that won't kill us. But we drank so many other flavors of Koolaid as well....." I know it's cliche, but who better to quote than that oft-quoted economic sage Yogi Berra - "This is like deja vu all over again." For the fourth (or is it the fifth) time in my middle-aged life. -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 09:16 AM To: 'ip' Subject: [IP] Credit Default Swaps ________________________________________ From: Andrew C Burnette [acb () acb net] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:02 AM To: David Farber Subject: Credit Default Swaps Dave, for IP if you wish. Credit Default Swaps Heard an interesting broadcast on Marketplace (a PRI radio program; April 1, 2008) on the issue of Credit Default Swaps. Interesting aspect is that nearly 45T USD of these are "in play" in the market. According to the discussion, The Bear Sterns buyout may have been a self saving mechanism for JPmorgan, as the risk of Bear Stern's failure becomes a risk of collapse for the holders of these guarantee certificates. Perhaps JP Morgan saw a risk exposure due to their own trades with Bear Sterns. Very interesting financial instrument, intended to spread risk around ("probably the most important instrument in finance," according to former Fed chair Alan Greenspan), however, when many begin to suffer, there's little assurance that any of the other holders of these swaps may be actually able to back up a default. From the program transcript: The value of the entire U.S. Treasuries market: $4.5 trillion. The value of the entire mortgage market: $7 trillion. The size of the U.S. stock market: $22 trillion. OK, you ready? The size of the credit default swap market last year: $45 trillion. http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/04/01/credit_default_swaps_q/ ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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