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Re: WORTH READING -- Study Gives High Marks to U.S. Internet - New York Times


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:23:17 -0400



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From: "Hendrik Rood" <Hendrik.Rood () stratix nl>
Date: April 17, 2008 11:45:43 AM EDT
To: <dave () farber net>
Cc: <dpreed () reed com>, <markoff () nyt com>, <matthias.luefkens () weforum org>, <mnelson () pobox com>, <bruce () newnetworks com > Subject: RE: [IP] WORTH READING -- Study Gives High Marks to U.S. Internet - New York Times

Professor Farber,

I have read the report and I think parts of the comments on the IP - list miss the point.

This report runs into methodological problems.

Any ranking that, as in the press release accompanying it, attempts to digest information from rankings which discern country position at 0.01 point differences, when the totals are above 5 for the top rankers, while it also comes with boatloads of inputs in the ranking formula, is creating fog instead of clarity.

The central issue of these benchmarks is that they calculate a so- called cardinal number out of ordinals (rankings). When listing 100 countries, the average step on the sublists is already 1%, far above the .2% used to determine rankings in the top. It would not surpass any so-called heteroscedasticity analysis as in this way it is far to sensitive for inputs and weighings variation.

The study at the levels of rankings is only usable at a very abstract level. It allows to determine that we get the usual suspects in the top 10 as well as those at the bottom.

When one would write a serious statement, one would not state

* The US moves up three places to fourth place
* The Republic of Korea jumps into the top ten, placing ninth

Instead, one could make statements like:
The US advances its position due to the fact that it strongly improves in ...
South-Korea moves into the top 10 as they bettered themselves in ...

And at the dots one then lists what was the main contributor to the advancement.

Otherwise one could state what factors still withhold a country from reaching the top position and bring that kind of analysis.


With kind regards,

Hendrik Rood
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Verzonden: woensdag 9 april 2008 20:18
Aan: ip
Onderwerp: [IP] Re: WORTH READING -- Study Gives High Marks
to U.S. Internet - New York Times


________________________________________
From: David P. Reed [dpreed () reed com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:38 PM
To: David Farber
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:    Study Gives High Marks to U.S.
Internet - New York Times

Dave, the following sentences from the report's exec summary
suggests something entirely different from the headline in the NYT.

   "The NRI aims at measuring economies' capacity to fully
leverage ICT
   for increased competitiveness and and development, building on a
   mixture of hard data collected by well-respected international
   organizations, such as the International Telecommunications Union
   (ITU), the World Bank, and the United Nations, and survey
data from
   the Executive Opinion Survey conducted annually by the World
   Economic Forum in each of the economies included in the Report."


in other words, citizens and public good doesn't matter.
What matters
is business.  The business of countries is business. :-)

   "The Networked Readiness Framework ... assesses:
   - the presence of an ICT-friendly and conducive environment, by
   looking at a number of features of the broad business environment,
   some regulatory aspects, and the soft and hard
infrastructure for ICT;

   - the level of ICT readiness and preparation to use ICT
of the three
   main national stakeholders - individuals, the business sector, and
   the government; and

   - the actual use of ICT by the above three stakeholders."

In other words the ranking is similar to the ranking of
cities in the US from the point of view of businesses.  Where
are the tax breaks, is the citizenry willing to toil hard for
low wages to enrich distant investors, etc.

Nothing about the Internet's ability to empower the end
users.  Lots about how ICT empowers the overlords.  :-)


David Farber wrote:
________________________________________
From: John Markoff [markoff () nyt com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:43 PM
To: David Farber
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:   Study Gives High Marks to U.S.
Internet - New York Times

Hi Dave,

News judgement is a tricky thing. Adam dispute mine, but I
thought I
would pass along a portion of the official press release from WEF
(which I just saw)...

Note the bullet points which indicate what they thought was
the most
salient news in the report......


John Markoff

Matthias Lüfkens, Associate Director, Tel.: +41 (0) 22 869 1212 -
matthias.luefkens () weforum or g

French German Italian 日本語 Spanish Portuguese 中文

DENMARK TOPS THE GLOBAL INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY REPORT 2007-2008

       * The US moves up three places to fourth place
       * The Republic of Korea jumps into the top ten,
placing ninth
       * Produced in cooperation with INSEAD, the Report provides
comparative information for business and governments
       * Report highlights, summary, country profiles,
quotes, maps
and more at: http://www.weforum.org/gitr Geneva,
Switzerland, 9 April
2008 - Denmark is the most networked economy in the world,
followed by
Sweden and Switzerland, according to The Global Information
Technology
Report 2007-2008, released today by the World Economic Forum. Among
the top ten, the Republic of Korea (9) and, to a lesser extent, the
United States (4) post the most notable improvements
(moving up 10 and
3 positions, respectively).

“The successful experience of the Nordic countries, Singapore, the
United States or Korea shows that a coherent government
vision on the
importance of ICT, coupled with an early focus on education and
innovation, are key not only for spurring networked readiness, but
also to lay the foundations for sustainable growth,” said
Irene Mia,
Senior Economist of the Global Competitiveness Network at the World
Economic Forum and Co-Editor of the Report.

Published for the seventh consecutive year with record
coverage of 127
economies worldwide, the Report has become the world’s most
comprehensive and authoritative international assessment of
the impact
of ICT on the development process and the competitiveness
of nations.









On Apr 9, 2008, at 6:54 AM, David Farber wrote:

________________________________________
From: Adam Peake [ajp () glocom ac jp]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:16 AM
To: David Farber
Subject: Re: [IP] Study Gives High Marks to U.S. Internet -
New York
Times

The headline and opening paragraph are misleading.  The study's not
about the Internet/Internet infrastructure, as the story goes on to
explain it includes a range of economic and other data
(<http://www.insead.edu/v1/gitr/wef/main/analysis/
choosedatavariable.cfm>
some of the questions look a little weak.)

Odd, and can see why you'd be skeptical.

Adam





http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/technology/09internet.html

By JOHN MARKOFF

Published: April 9, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO -- Contradicting earlier studies,
conventional wisdom
and politicians' rhetoric, European researchers say that
the Internet
infrastructure of the United States is one of the world's best and
getting better.



snip


Some Internet industry veterans were skeptical of the
positive claims
about the United States compared with the rest of the world.
"My gut feeling is that we don't have the type of
deployment you have
abroad," said David J. Farber, an Internet pioneer and a
professor of
computer science at Carnegie Mellon University. "If you
are looking
at broadband, we have a lot of problems. We are slow as
molasses in
deploying the next generation."



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