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a comment on "Phones studied as attack detector"
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:14:14 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu Date: May 8, 2007 3:58:23 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: Re: [IP] a comment on "Phones studied as attack detector" On Tue, 08 May 2007 11:21:52 EDT, David Farber said:
Detectors for bio events are notoriously flaky. They see false posoitives in the 3-4% for mass deployed units. Consider if the False Positive of the cell phone detector was even 1%. The noise would be overwhelming.
Even if they get the FP rate down to 0.01%, you still hita problem - statisticians call it the 'base rate fallacy'. Floyd Rumin discussed itwell here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/rudmin1.html in the context of
NSA data mining of phone calls and e-mail to look for terrorists.Basically - you can't use data mining to find something very rare, because the false positives *will* drown you unless you have an insanely good tool
to do the good/bad classification.And even after all that, the terrorists can twist it to their advantage...
Consider a terrorist cell that learns how to game the system and causefalse positives at will - the 395th time they have to clear a major sports stadium in the middle of a game, or close down the New York subway system,
they'll give up on it. Of course, at that point, the terrorists have a 2-for-1 special on the advantage:1) They'll have a detailed understanding of exactly what the response time
and capabilities of responding units are. 2) The 396th time.... ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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