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Re: Apple embeds email address in DRM-free downloads
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:08:01 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Scott Moskowitz <scott () bluespike com> Date: June 1, 2007 10:28:53 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Apple embeds email address in DRM-free downloads On Jun 1, 2007, at 9:00 AM, David Farber wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: Joe Touch <touch () isi edu> Date: May 31, 2007 11:06:22 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Apple embeds email address in DRM-free downloads FWIW, email is NOT embedded (ARS Technica never said email was, BTW); your AppleID and billing name are. Results of two tests are shown below. Conclusion: your AppleID is tied to the song; the song won't play without it.While you can create a bogus billing name, your AppleID is tied to your credit card info. Apple won't issue an AppleID without a valid credit card.So, AFAICT, "iTunes Plus" is *not* DRM free. They're managing digital rights if they force the tag to remain in the song, IMO. Joe ---------
(Prof Farber from our many conversations on DRM over a decade ago - Scott)
Joe:Not to be pedantic, but how exactly do you arrive at the conclusion: "They're managing digital rights if they force the tag to remain in the song"?
1) Most items that you transact have receipts including intangibles such as software 2) Receipts are indicative of transactions and ensure proper accounting (no one wants to pay for something twice or not be compensated for something sold twice) 3) That the song is "DRM-free" did not make the song "free", nor eliminate transactional value such as Apple's responsibility to pay royalties to artists, composers and/or copyright holders 4) Once you have the song what exactly is being managed? (except your knowledge that the song has a tag) 5) No one has announced that "they force the tag to remain in the song"? (though such an ability across a network would be quite valuable and potentially abusive)
Should you distribute the song to someone who can trace it back to you would seem to simply indicate the tagged song belongs to you.
The "fact" the song has been made unique to the transaction has little or nothing to do with active controls associated with traditional notions of "DRM".
Every right should have a responsibility.Apple appears to have shifted responsibility to the person who pays for the song.
Sincerely, Scott Moskowitz
TEST 2: "Free song of the week", under "iTunes Plus" (DRM free) I tested: - downloading the "free song of the week" (DRM free) I found: - my AppleID - my name (as part of my billing address under my account)I did not find any other information associated with my account, e.g., Idid NOT find: - my email address - my street, city, state, or zip code - my phone number When I zeroed out the AppleID and name above, the song would no longerplay - iTunes was happy trying, but acted like the file was corrupt, andplayed only a half a second or so. Conclusion: "free song of the week" is not DRM-free -----------------TEST 2: "Free song of the week", not under "iTunes Plus" (not DRM free)I tested: - downloading the "free song of the week" (not DRM free) NB: there is no indication that this is DRM-free I found: - my AppleID - my name (as part of my billing address under my account)I did not find any other information associated with my account, e.g., Idid NOT find: - my email address - my street, city, state, or zip code - my phone number When I zeroed out the AppleID and name above, the song would no longer play - iTunes reported that I needed to authorize my computer to play songs owned by the blanked-out ID. Conclusion: the non-DRM "free song of the week" not DRM-free (to be fair, they never assert that it would be) ---- David Farber wrote:Begin forwarded message: From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb () cs columbia edu> Date: May 30, 2007 5:38:47 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Apple embeds email address in DRM-free downloads According to Ars Technica, Apple's iTunes site embeds account information, including full name and email address, in all purchased songs. This includes the DRM-free songs available starting today.http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070530-apple-hides-account- info-in-drm-free-music-too.html(I have not yet independently verified this.) --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb-- ---------------------------------------- Joe Touch Sr. Network Engineer, USAF TSAT Space Segment ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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