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more on NPR on Second Life (was: The Ultimate Distance Learning)


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:58:30 -0500



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From: Tristan Louis <tristan () tnl net>
Date: January 8, 2007 9:47:13 AM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: RE: [IP] NPR on Second Life (was: The Ultimate Distance Learning)

Dave,

A follow up on this for IP readers:

http://tnl.net/blog/2007/01/05/running-the-numbers-on-second-life/

In the comments, Clay Shirky and I go through further discussion too.

TNL

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Subject: [IP] NPR on Second Life (was: The Ultimate Distance Learning)
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, January 08, 2007 9:07 am
To: ip () v2 listbox com

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From: steven cherry <steven () panix com>
Date: January 8, 2007 8:10:17 AM EST
To: johnmacsgroup () yahoogroups com
Subject: Re: [johnmacsgroup] NPR on Second Life (was: The Ultimate
Distance Learning)
Reply-To: johnmacsgroup () yahoogroups com

At 6:54 PM -0800 1/7/07, Dewayne Hendricks wrote:
On Jan 7, 2007, at 6:17 PM, John Lyon wrote:

o       IBM recently setup shop in 'Second Life'.
See "IBM to give birth to 'Second Life' business
group":
<http://news.com.com/IBM+to+give+birth+to+Second+Life+business
+group/2100-1014_3-6143175.htmll>

o       I just checked and found that there are
about 2.4 million residents in 'Second LIfe' at
this time. I'm a member of that community and
am known there as 'Dewayne Draper'.

Maybe you can say what you mean by "I just
checked" and then tell us what the word
"resident" means. Because it's been widely
reported that the 2 million figure is based
entirely on the word "resident," which turns out
to have no no meaning at all:

http://www.valleywag.com/tech/naming-names/the-tech-reporters-who-
flack-for-second-life-224092.php
The tech reporters who flack for Second Life

"Here at KingsRUs.com, we call our website our
Kingdom, and any time our webservers serve up a
copy of the home page, we record that as a Loyal
Subject. We're very pleased to announce that in
the last two months, we have added over 1 million
Loyal Subjects to our Kingdom."

Put that baldly, you wouldn't fall for this bit
of re-direction, and yet that is exactly what
Linden Labs, a much-promoted maker of virtual
worlds backed by Benchmark Capital, has pulled
off with its ResidentsĀ label. By adopting a term
that seems like a simple re-branding of "users",
but which is actually unconnected to head count
or adoption, they've managed to report what the
press wants to hear, while providing no actual
information. <snip>

http://valleywag.com/tech/second-life/a-story-too-good-to-
check-221252.php
A story too good to check

Someone who tries a social service once and bails
isn't really a user any more than someone who
gets a sample spoon of ice cream and walks out is
a customer.

So here's my question -- how many return users
are there? We know from the startup screen that
the advertised churn of Second Life is over 60%
(as I write this, it's 690,800 recent users to
1,901,173 signups, or 63%.) That's not stellar
but it's not terrible either. However, their
definition of "recently logged in" includes
everyone in the last 60 days, even though the
industry standard for reporting unique users is
30 days, so we don't actually know what the
apples to apples churn rate is.

At a guess, Second Life churn measured in the
ordinary way is in excess of 85%, with a surge of
new users being driven in by the amount of press
the service is getting. The wider the Recently
Logged In reporting window is, the bigger the
bulge of recently-arrived-but-never-to-return
users that gets counted in the overall numbers.

I suspect Second Life is largely a "Try Me"
virus, where reports of a strange and wonderful
new thing draw the masses to log in and try it,
but whose ability to retain anything but a
fraction of those users is limited. The pattern
of a Try Me virus is a rapid spread of first time
users, most of whom drop out quickly, with most
of the dropouts becoming immune to later use.
Pointcast was a Try Me virus, as was LambdaMOO,
the experiment that Second Life most closely
resembles. <snip>

http://www.valleywag.com/tech/second-life/virtual-world-stats-as-
misleading-as-a-dating-profile-225349.php
Virtual world stats as misleading as a dating profile

There are only two things you really need to
understand about the Linden story. First, any
Residents figure from Linden is unrelated to the
population of Second Life (because a Resident
isn't a user) and growth in the Residents number
is not directly tied to growth in users (because
existing users can create new Residents). Second,
any reporter who publishes a population figure
for Second Life is snowing you on Linden's
behalf, since Linden never tells anyone how many
regular users Second Life has.

Murphy misunderstands the argument of Naming
Names. He explains the core complaint of the
piece this way: "Second Life says it has about 2
million subscribers, but that only about 800,000
of them have logged on in the last two months.
About four reporters carried the first number
without reporting the second. That's it."

Except that isn't it. Linden does not say it has
two million subscribers. It is Mr. Murphy himself
who helpfully but wrongly supplies subscribers as
a synonym for Residents. And the issue isn't one
Residents figure over another -- they're all
junk. Residents does not refer to subscribers,
members, citizens, customers, participants, or
users. It is a count of signups, not people, it
includes unknown quantities of failed logins,
double-counting, and abandoned accounts, and it
has varied over the life of the company. As a
result, it is worthless as a measure of adoption,
even as a proxy for growth. <snip>

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