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more on FCC order on VOIP snooping
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:56:38 -0400
Begin forwarded message:From: "Synthesis: Law and Technology" <synthesis.law.and.technology () gmail com>
Date: May 9, 2006 10:19:16 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: rlrevell () joe-job com Subject: Re: [IP] FCC order on VOIP snooping Dave,It appears this question is more technical than legal since there are many ways to avoid falling under CALEA to do this form of online 'jamming'. As Lee said, it's not VoIP even tho it could be 'used' for it. I'm sure we have all heard the joke with the punchline that says "yes but you have the equipment for it' Just stay away from the actual VoIP and the probabilty of someone implementing a filter for it to conform to CALEA becomes vanishingly small.
Now if you want to go the opposite way and use your regular home (or office) VoIP for jamming then it would potentially fall under CALEA and it then becomes an engineering problem. The same timing issues exist for voice as they do for music timing. In fact, they are potentially more strict since delays in the 10 msec range are commonly used as 'effects' in music and render speech rather interesting and times comical and at times unrecognizable. So I suspect if musicians wish to jam on VoIP circuits they will find their instruments occasionally having 'free' reverb or flanging effects. I suspect (without having tested it) that the implementation will make a difference.
On 5/6/06, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Lee Revell <rlrevell () joe-job com > Date: May 6, 2006 11:40:09 AM EDT To: David Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: FCC order on VOIP snooping http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-265221A1.pdf I have a question for the lawyers on IP (not looking for free legal advice, just your thoughts ;-). I just returned from presenting a paper at the 4th Linux Audio Conference in Karlsruhe, Germany and there's currently a lot of work on low latency, high quality realtime audio over IP - the point of which is to allow musicians to collaborate (or "jam") live over the net. The upper latency limit between musicians for playing "live" is about 20-30ms so the speed of light prevents this from ever working beyond a few hundred miles, but it still should be quite useful. Has there been any discussion of whether this kind of peer to peer audio system, which is not designed for VOIP but could obviously be used for that, would be affected? AFAICT having to implement CALEA would be the death of any such system, as it's simply a musician's peer to peer tool not a centralized operation, plus I can't imagine how you would implement CALEA without killing the latency. Lee ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as synthesis.law.and.technology () gmail com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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